I think I'm over Baltar at this point also. So over him. I really want him to die.

Kathy, I just don't buy that he has indeed become a true believer. Maybe we will see more evidence to this effect - at least scenes that will convince me, but he has gone back and forth and back and forth so much that I'm just not sure where he stands.

I had sort of hoped Baltar would die in the last episode, but only because I like what that would have done to Roslin's conscience. I like the gadfly role Baltar's playing, and liked him proselytizing to the Centurion. It was the only moment I can recall him doing something that wasn't nakedly self-interested on the surface, although I think there's a healthy dose of self-interest in the act. I think the character is trying to convince himself that he's really a prophetic voice by preaching when virtually no one is listening.

I was wondering at that point if he was in the loop re: the Centurion's having self-awareness now. Because if he knows that his sermon is being heard by a sentient being, that's very different than if he thinks he's talking to a dumb hunk of metal.

I was wondering that, too!

And it all goes back to the essential question of Baltar - is he being uber-crafty and devious, or REALLY FUCKING STUPID?

[Insert Spinal Tap reference here]

I'm going with really fucking stupid, myself.

Me too. He just can't stop talking and trying to make trouble - and the possible consequences (even to himself) don't seem to hit him until it's too late.

For a super-genius, he seems to be incapable of forethought.

For a super-genius, he seems to be incapable of forethought.

So he's Wile E. Coyote? Are the Cylons from Acme as well?

I was wondering at that point if he was in the loop re: the Centurion's having self-awareness now.

Was he aware they didn't have it before? I feel like that's only been discussed among the Cylons this season.