What Fay Said.
Congratulations to the class of 1999. You all proved more or less adequate.
Snyder ,'Chosen'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
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Jessica - Jun 04, 2008 4:01:40 pm PDT #2747 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
le nubian - Jun 04, 2008 4:16:31 pm PDT #2748 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
goddamn Fay. Word.
Dana - Jun 04, 2008 4:19:38 pm PDT #2749 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Oh, Fay, I am fond of you.
SailAweigh - Jun 04, 2008 4:20:15 pm PDT #2750 of 30001
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
::nods like a rear window full of bobble head dolls::
§ ita § - Jun 04, 2008 4:23:01 pm PDT #2751 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Precisely what Fay said. In that picture she is woman as chattel, not as equal. And in the end, for all her power, she has an off switch, so she's no threat to even the nerdiest of lounge lizards. And with no nudity taboo!
Invisible Green - Jun 04, 2008 4:38:27 pm PDT #2752 of 30001
But it's also hellishly misogynistic, which is particularly unforgiveable since the show is primarily about strong, intelligent, capable and empowered female characters.
Except the show hasn't even managed to show any strong, intelligent characters, male or female. IMO, Lena Headey's Sarah Connor would fit right in at Torchwood. She and John have been incompetent morons the entire season, and they've miraculously survived only because the show's about them.
Polter-Cow - Jun 04, 2008 4:55:57 pm PDT #2753 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I agree with Fay and disagree with Invisible Green.
Tamara - Jun 04, 2008 4:58:02 pm PDT #2754 of 30001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
I totally get where you are coming from, Fay. The image just doesn't make me go there nor do I think that was the intention. Of course, I may be a bit thick.
Fay - Jun 04, 2008 5:32:13 pm PDT #2755 of 30001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.
Tamara, I definitely don't think you're at all thick, and I'm sure that a lot of people don't consciously go there when they look at the image. That's pretty much why I wanted to unpack my visceral response to the poster a little.
But as to whether it was the intention - yeah, I kind of think it was. I don't think they will have parsed it the way I did, but I do think that this image is consciously pitched at that 18-30 male demographic, making sure that they aren't put off watching a Terminator vehicle just because the titular protagonist is a woman.
They've intentionally turned the ass-kicking super robot into a vulnerable sexbot for that advert, to make sure that the boys associate T:TSCC with fuckable babes rather than scary ballbreakers, and are thus more inclined to tune in.
Except the show hasn't even managed to show any strong, intelligent characters, male or female. IMO, Lena Headey's Sarah Connor would fit right in at Torchwood. She and John have been incompetent morons the entire season, and they've miraculously survived only because the show's about them.
Well, you have the advantage of me in having watched the entire season - my last DVD was scratched, so I've not seen all of it yet. Clearly we have very different takes on Lena Headey's performance and/or Sarah's character, however. Or possibly on the quality of Torchwood.
Tamara - Jun 04, 2008 6:37:28 pm PDT #2756 of 30001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.
Like I said, I get your point and I agree completely with your point that they positioned the advertising to show a hot babe so that the boys aren't turned off by a show with a female protagonist. What I don't see is how a robot torso is seen as fuckable. Interesting and disturbing in an offputting but attractive alien way, but not fuckable.