What you did to me was unbelievable, Connor. But then I got stuck in a hell dimension by my girlfriend one time for a hundred years, so three months under the ocean actually gave me perspective. Kind of a M.C. Escher perspective, but I did get time to think.

Angel ,'Conviction (1)'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Tom Scola - Nov 19, 2014 6:48:48 am PST #26435 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Seriously, this show has thrown so many breadcrumbs for comics nerds that you have to assume that most of them are misdirects.


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2014 6:53:00 am PST #26436 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Grodd had better not be a misdirect. I want Gorilla Grodd on this show SO HARD.

I feel like maybe Barry taunting his former bully by talking to him with his mask off is going to bite him in the ass when the inevitable prison break happens. (That's not a spoiler; just speculation based on the GIANT FLASHING SIGN of Nothing Can Go Wrong When You Store Metahuman Villains In One Place.)


Vonnie K - Nov 19, 2014 6:58:51 am PST #26437 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

Yeah, I've been neutral on him, but I liked him last night. Which probably means he's going to die or turn evil. Or turn evil and then die. Or -- because it's comics -- die and come back and THEN turn evil.

Hee! Well, he's got that name. Which could be a misdirect as well! I'm chuckling right now, remembering Barry's "whaa??" face when Eddie told him to come along so that he could hit some stuff.

As for the blur at the end, this is a show with time travel so I'm assuming all bets are off. Hell, it could be Barry himself from the future for all I know.

Joe and Wells' cat-and-mouse game was my favourite part of that episode. The way Wells' face changed when he cottoned to what Joe was doing! ILU TOM CAVANAUGH. (Also, there would be NO KILLING OF JOE WEST, EVER.) (Shit, it's gonna happen, like, in the season 2 finale or something, innit.) And Joe was totally on the right track to suspect the timing of Wells' arrival in Central City, of course. God knows what really happened with his wife/research partner. My understanding is that, unlikely pretty much every other character on the show, Harrison Wells does not have a comic book counterpart. Which is a smart move. What Creepy And Sketchy Shit Wells Is Up To This Week is a fun dark nugget embedded in this otherwise funny, sunny show.


Vonnie K - Nov 19, 2014 7:03:15 am PST #26438 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

when the inevitable prison break happens.

OK, if that happens, they HAVE TO have Captain Cold come back and lead that prison break because that would be the meta-est shit ever.


Tom Scola - Nov 19, 2014 7:06:40 am PST #26439 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I want Gorilla Grodd on this show SO HARD.

I want a Deathstroke & Gorilla Grodd spin-off.


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2014 7:07:00 am PST #26440 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Well, he's got that name. Which could be a misdirect as well!

Okay, so you know that. I didn't want to mention that if you didn't know it. The thing is, I don't think the Reverse Flash/Yellow Blur Guy is Eddie. Unless it's Eddie traveling back from the future? All of the Flash-related time travel stuff confuses the shit out of me.

But Eddie is like Slade Wilson -- with that name, if you know the comics, you know from the start what his eventual path is going to be.

Hell, it could be Barry himself from the future for all I know.

I almost want that to be true. Except future!Barry killing his own mom is a little darker than I think the show will go.

My understanding is that, unlikely pretty much every other character on the show, Harrison Wells does not have a comic book counterpart.

I think so. He's like Diggle (in that he wasn't in the comics)...but stabby and probably evil.

Which is a smart move. What Creepy And Sketchy Shit Wells Is Up To This Week is a fun dark nugget embedded in this otherwise funny, sunny show.

Seriously. I'm always a little let down when the final scene isn't Wells pulling off some nefarious deeds.

LOVED Iris mentioning the man on fire who isn't burned (or however she said it). Firestorm! (I mean, even if Ronnie Raymond *wasn't* played by Robbie Amell, we all knew he'd be back, right? How do these 3 sooooper geniuses not stop to think that everyone else affected by the particle accelerator was given metahuman abilities...except Ronnie? Or I suppose Wells probably knows what's up, but Caitlin and Cisco are supposed to be pretty damn smart.)


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2014 7:08:21 am PST #26441 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

when the inevitable prison break happens.

OK, if that happens, they HAVE TO have Captain Cold come back and lead that prison break because that would be the meta-est shit ever.

Ahahahahaha! YES PLEASE.


JenP - Nov 19, 2014 1:44:11 pm PST #26442 of 30001

I gather he's(?) a villain, but I am a little in love with the name Professor Zoom. It is fun to say the way I say it in my brain.

The actor who plays Barry -- or the way he plays Barry, though he just seems like he'd be a nice guy in general -- is just unfailingly appealing in this role.

Who Wells is is my favorite mystery, even beyond Yellow Killer Flash. I think he's on the side of good, ultimately (Wells, that is), or at least that it's not a "Ha! I've fooled you all! I've been working against you the whole time!" situation.


Steph L. - Nov 19, 2014 1:54:35 pm PST #26443 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Who Wells is is my favorite mystery

Totally. Although he's so unrelentingly creepy that I swing toward the HE'S EVIL AND HAS A KNIFE RUN BARRY RUN side.

The actor who plays Barry -- or the way he plays Barry, though he just seems like he'd be a nice guy in general -- is just unfailingly appealing in this role.

Seriously. He's been unbelievably endearing since his appearance on Arrow.

Jesse L. Martin makes all shows better just by being there and occasionally smiling.


Tom Scola - Nov 19, 2014 2:15:12 pm PST #26444 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The Faces of Joe West