Illyria: Wesley's dead. I'm feeling grief for him. I can't seem to control it. I wish to do more violence. Spike: Well, wishes just happen to be horses today.

'Not Fade Away'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


-t - Sep 21, 2014 1:28:57 pm PDT #25725 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I hear you, Calli, the caper was not as caper-y as I wanted. You might be right about Leverage raising expectations. I did enjoy the Doctor figuring out what he had chosen to forget and giving Madame K his number.


billytea - Sep 21, 2014 3:00:49 pm PDT #25726 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I think I liked Who better before there were so many arcs and intertwining storylines. I liked the background of Gallifrey in Old Who, and the Master and the recurring characters, but there wasn't quite so much entanglement and "I bet this means something later on".

Yes, they only really did a season-long arc a couple of times, with the Key to Time and the Trial of a Time Lord. (And the former at least wasn't any real mystery, just an organising principle.)

Classic Who had a very different feel in many ways. Pacing is the one I notice most. Not entirely surprising given that it used to be serialised, but even allowing for that there's a big difference. (Sometimes I feel like these days, they'd fit all of episode 1 of one of the old adventures into the pre-credits.)

One thing I love about old Who on DVD is the quality of the special features and such. The Making Of specials are excellent on their own, but then you get other bits like an extended look at the music of the Third and Fourth Doctor eras, or a discussion between Caroline Johns, Katy Manning and Louise Jameson about being the Doctor's companion, or a 45-minute documentary about Doctor Who's relation to the politics of the day. It's superb stuff.

The commentaries are great too, and I love listening to Barry Letts, Terrance Dicks or Verity Lambert about how the stories were produced. But (and this is the point of this digression) I do occasionally wince when they start bemoaning the changes to the formula in New Who. Yes, there are significant differences, and the old ways had some strong reasons and advantages, but for the most part, the same is true of the new series.

Case in point: Letts and Dicks are very much down on New Who's extensive use of the sonic screwdriver, which has become something of a magic wand. This is true, but for the new production, that's pretty much the point. It lets the Doctor get out of anything they don't want to spend time on, and into something that they do. It suits the pacing of the new show.

Plus, the Doctor using it to blow up the archery target in Robot of Sherwood was very funny.


billytea - Sep 21, 2014 3:33:39 pm PDT #25727 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

I hear you, Calli, the caper was not as caper-y as I wanted. You might be right about Leverage raising expectations. I did enjoy the Doctor figuring out what he had chosen to forget and giving Madame K his number.

There was a dearth of capering. I really only got that feeling right at the outset when they first escaped the bank's security team (and a little bit when they got through the floor). The rest of the running about felt more like a Minotaur story.

What I found interesting about the Doctor figuring out the identity of the Architect is how he started by latching onto the one thing he knew about the Architect, that he hated him. (As soon as he started on that line, I thought "Ah. It's him.")

What I like about their use of it this time around, compared to (say) Amy's Choice, is that it went almost entirely unremarked upon. Where Eleven finished Amy's Choice all "MAH PAIN", Twelve is more "Yeah, I hate myself, so what? I hate everybody."


Jon B. - Sep 21, 2014 4:57:10 pm PDT #25728 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

I can't be the only one who thought, "Ah, the Teller is in the Incentive Program"?


Theodosia - Sep 22, 2014 3:51:54 am PDT #25729 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

The Strain: I loved that the kid retrieved Morleys brand cigarettes. And that Our Heroes are squabbling their way through the sewers, because, no, they really only just met and they're not a cohesive bunch at all.

Other than that -- leaving a 10yo kid in charge of the old woman?


Pix - Sep 22, 2014 3:52:45 am PDT #25730 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.

Wait, was there a new DW this week? It wasn't on my iTunes for some reason.


-t - Sep 22, 2014 4:14:33 am PDT #25731 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I can't be the only one who thought, "Ah, the Teller is in the Incentive Program"?

I wish I'd thought that! Nice.


billytea - Sep 22, 2014 4:18:20 am PDT #25732 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

Wait, was there a new DW this week? It wasn't on my iTunes for some reason.

That's what happens when you try to put a memory worm on your iTunes.


tommyrot - Sep 22, 2014 6:03:41 am PDT #25733 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

You know, we'd never have to worry about being spoiled if we all had memory worms.


Steph L. - Sep 22, 2014 6:36:10 am PDT #25734 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Hey, Gotham premieres tonight -- would we discuss it here? I assume yes, since most of the comic-book TV shows are here.