Wesley: All right. I'm going to let you all in on something you may have trouble comprehending. I assure you however-- Gunn: Vampires are real. Wesley: I was telling!

'The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


billytea - Sep 15, 2014 5:15:24 am PDT #25681 of 30001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.

My favorite bit might have been when Clara was under the young Doctor's bed and he starts to get up and she grabs his leg. In that short moment it felt like everything clicked into place.

What I liked about that was that on this occasion, Clara was 'saving' the Doctor, not because she's this Impossible Girl whose sole point in the story is protecting his timeline, but simply because here's a scared little kid and who wouldn't?


tommyrot - Sep 15, 2014 5:37:27 am PDT #25682 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

In the io9 review (There's Not Much Point In Arguing About Moffat's Doctor Who Any More) they had a link to this interesting post:

Why Time Travel Stories Should Be Messy

To a lot of people, time travel stories are cool when they're clever — when all the pieces fit together at the end with a delightful "click." To me, though, time travel stories are cool when they're messy. Because life is messy, and stories in general are cooler when they're rough around the edges.

The last Who episode was an example the the "clever" type. "Blink" was a classic example. In episodes like these, events are in a loop--each event causes the next event, and the last causes the first. So at the end, Sally Sparrow causes everything to happen by giving the Doctor notes on what happened, which he then has to carry out to resolve the issue. What the author of the post doesn't like about these episodes is the characters don't have any agency.

Lots of classic time-travel stories are of the clever type. I'm not sure I agree with the author, but it's an interesting post.


Polter-Cow - Sep 15, 2014 6:37:04 am PDT #25683 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Clara was 'saving' the Doctor, not because she's this Impossible Girl whose sole point in the story is protecting his timeline, but simply because here's a scared little kid and who wouldn't?

Yep, the AV Club review pointed that out too, which was nice because I had the former aspect in my head before that.


beekaytee - Sep 15, 2014 9:27:52 am PDT #25684 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I liked not knowing what was under the blanket...though I and my watch-buddy commented that the blurry figure looked a bit like a small Santaran...all potato-y.

I felt the point was in the not knowing.

Clara has already been seen to show up everywhere in the Doctor's life, so why would his life on Gallifrey be any different?

simply because here's a scared little kid and who wouldn't?

This really resonated with me because her expression didn't look like 'oh crap, I'M the scary thing under the bed' but a realization that it could be seen that way and her real purpose was to be helpful.

I truly enjoyed the date banter/fail. So awkward and real...at least based on my own dating experience. And the Doctor's whimsical ramblings about three mirrors and eyes out to here and just turn your head, really charmed me.


sj - Sep 15, 2014 9:33:56 am PDT #25685 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I really liked this episode, and I liked both Clara and the new Doctor at the same time. Which is a first for me.


Scrappy - Sep 15, 2014 9:47:47 am PDT #25686 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I am as one with sj.


§ ita § - Sep 15, 2014 11:17:31 am PDT #25687 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I am with -t.

Way to go to get me to retroactively hate an important part of the episode--if it's just some kid in Rupert's room, I get mad at the writers.


Anne W. - Sep 15, 2014 11:52:23 am PDT #25688 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I have a sneaking suspicion that the issue if who was under the blanket AND who wrote "listen" on the chalkboard will be revisited later in the season.


Strix - Sep 15, 2014 12:42:22 pm PDT #25689 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I am all caught up on re-watch/finishing Agents of Shield and Sleepy Hollow. (Started them both, but was bored by first 4 eps of Shield, and then just lost track of time with SH.)

Just need a re-watch of the last few eps of SPN, and I am ready for fall TV!


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 15, 2014 12:47:14 pm PDT #25690 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I saw an ad last night about Sleepy Hollow's new season beginning next Tuesday. Not sure I'm ready.