You know me! I'm like, "Go school! It's your birthday!" Or something to that effect.

Willow ,'Empty Places'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 21, 2013 10:25:56 am PDT #22658 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The sad-making developments in the Teen Wolf trailer.


§ ita § - May 21, 2013 10:35:43 am PDT #22659 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Can you say them out loud? I can't work out what is especially sad-making and what is because of LA. The preview has been aired, I've been told, so it's not spoilery.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 21, 2013 12:08:37 pm PDT #22660 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

The part where Deucalion rips out Melissa's throat. I knew the actress was Atlanta-based, and with her getting a recurring role on The Walking Dead and this show's production moving to the West Coast, I figured the writing was on the wall. Jackson's absence they can easily explain away by his parents shipping him off for safety or therapy (or modeling school), but the custodial single mom of the teenage lead is a lot harder to get rid of non-lethally.


sj - May 21, 2013 2:27:38 pm PDT #22661 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

The part where Deucalion rips out Melissa's throat.

Oh, no!


Fiona - May 23, 2013 9:50:58 pm PDT #22662 of 30001

Piece about the current state of Doctor Who. (Full disclosure - it's a site I write for occasionally too).

[link]


-t - May 24, 2013 3:59:25 am PDT #22663 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

While we are on the topic: can anyone tell me what "the recipe is the souffle" is supposed to mean? It just makes me think "the map is not the territory" so I think I am approaching it wrong.


beekaytee - May 24, 2013 5:31:47 am PDT #22664 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Fiona, thank you for that link!

Much as I want to lovelovelove all things Who, that article pretty much speaks for me (only much more intelligently than I could muster) and, while it made me snort, it does make me sad.


beekaytee - May 24, 2013 5:36:02 am PDT #22665 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

-t, I think 'the recipe is not the souffle' is supposed to be some sort of koan about the road not being the journey. (map not the territory, romance not the love...I dunno.)

It feels like we are supposed to be transfixed, waiting for some sort of twisty, too clever by half, outcome that will make us all feel dumb for not having followed its genius.

Then, we'll be fully satisfied that the convoluted 'she's impossible' recitations will suddenly make all the sense in the many worlds because...well, it will actually make sense somehow.

Or, I could just be bitter.


-t - May 24, 2013 5:48:41 am PDT #22666 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

But she doesn't say "the recipe is not the souffle". She says "the souffle is not the souffle. The souffle is the recipe."

I think.


Trudy Booth - May 24, 2013 6:04:37 am PDT #22667 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I've been thinking of it along the lines of soffles are tricky so the metaphor is souffle-specific (it wouldn't work with chocolate cake or beef stew, say). Its not just the ingredients, its the whole "recipe". As long as you had beef and vegetables and whatnot you could screw up any number of things and still have a beef stew. With a souffle if you screw up you've just got some yummy cheesy egg stuff.

So she's still Clara Oswin Oswald wherever and whenever she goes as long as the recipe is right. Somehow across time and space "eggs" and "cheese" are assembled AND combined correctly and yet again we get her. She, herself, is not the definition of Oswin -- its the recipe that creates her each time that makes her her.