Mal: Hell, this job I would pull for free. Zoe: Can I have your share? Mal: No. Zoe: If you die, can I have your share? Mal: Yes.

'The Train Job'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Typo Boy - Dec 02, 2012 9:28:47 pm PST #21820 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OUAT:

1) Hasn't Regina figured out yet that letting Rumple talk her into things never works out well for her?

2)OK Mr. Evil Dude Rumplestilskin - given that you just tried to kill Emma, when she is suffering low self-esteem issues why talk her out of them?

3) At the very end, when everyone was going out to Granny's for burgers, did it really not occur to anyone to invite Regina? Snow, at least, was raised as royalty; wouldn't she know enough about basic interpersonal politics to consider trying to keep Regina sweet? The rest are not raised to either royal or office politics. (Well except Belle. She is a merchants daughter. But she suffered longer than anyone at Regina's hands.)


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2012 6:44:22 am PST #21821 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why was (Temp-Dog, as he still is in my brain) more expendable than the other prisoner? He could just as easily have had those lines with Carol, if that's the differentiator. He isn't creepy enough to live?


Polter-Cow - Dec 03, 2012 7:25:41 am PST #21822 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

He was the most expendable person at Woodbury.


Frankenbuddha - Dec 03, 2012 7:28:52 am PST #21823 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

there isn't another guy on network TV doing more show off stuff that's clearly them

More than Christian Kane?


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2012 8:17:14 am PST #21824 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He was the most expendable person at Woodbury

Since the writers who killed him are also the ones who sent him to Woodbury, that doesn't really explain why he died and the other guy didn't. Just send the other guy to Woodbury instead...


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2012 8:18:50 am PST #21825 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

More than Christian Kane?

Network TV was supposed to limit the scope to ABC, CBS, NBC, CW, Fox--what is the proper term for just them?

Anyway, yeah, more than Christian Kane. He's doing his own fight stunts. That's not the same as "showoff stuff".


Polter-Cow - Dec 03, 2012 8:50:34 am PST #21826 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Just send the other guy to Woodbury instead...

I don't know if we've seen Abel do much fighting. Or much of...anything that would make him a better choice to take to Woodbury than Oscar (I learned his name! In death, a member of Project Black Guy has a name).


sumi - Dec 03, 2012 8:51:29 am PST #21827 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I like the "he wasn't creepy enough to live" excuse. . .


§ ita § - Dec 03, 2012 9:03:56 am PST #21828 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Or much of...anything that would make him a better choice to take to Woodbury than Oscar

Take them both, kill one of them. Don't kill Oscar on the raid. Kill Abel some other time. You're not trying to say that one death was inevitable, surely? They can kill whoever they like and they decided to kill Oscar.


Polter-Cow - Dec 03, 2012 9:22:45 am PST #21829 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Right. And, as you pointed out, that decision was made before they sent him to Woodbury. All I am saying is that based on the group of people that went to Woodbury, if you feel the need to kill someone to show that NO ONE IS SAFE or whatever, Oscar is your man. Except since he's not really a major character, he's mostly a sacrifice to false narrative stakes and makes it less likely that a major character will die.

They could have left both of them at the prison and had no one die in the raid, and it would have been just as effective, really.