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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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aurelia - Nov 17, 2012 10:29:36 am PST #21725 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Olivia has lost so many things, but in terms of what she's given up? Early in the series (maybe even the pilot) she said she just wanted things to go back to normal (and not have to know about ZFT and the fringe events). I guess she gave up the concept of normal. Although I'm not certain she's completely given it up. The same idea has been addressed in her insecurities about starting a relationship with Peter and about having children. She's not optimistic, but she still wants it.

I think with Olivia it's more about what she's taken on than what she's given up. Ever since she accepted the job with Fringe division she has taken on the responsibility for... everything. She may not always think she'll succeed, but she as sure as hell will do her best.

Cortexiphan was last mentioned at the end of last season. Olivia being all dosed up was pretty key to a lot of the plot points.


aurelia - Nov 17, 2012 10:33:22 am PST #21726 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm upset that neither Olivia's sister or her niece have been mentioned in this future. I want to know what happened to them. Or do we already know and I missed it?

I don't think we know anything. Nina would probably be the one to share that info.


DebetEsse - Nov 17, 2012 11:23:47 am PST #21727 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Did her sister exist in the world without Peter timeline? I thought she didn't.


Fiona - Nov 17, 2012 11:44:10 am PST #21728 of 30001

New trailer for the Doctor Who Christmas Special:

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And a 'minisode' prequel:

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sj - Nov 17, 2012 11:45:15 am PST #21729 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Haven: Did Nathan sleep with her in the past? Is the implication he's the Colorado Kid's father? I couldn't tell if that was a "fade to black" or just a suggestion-free scene transition.

I think it was left purposefully vague. The possible father, to me, seem to be Nathan, one of the newspaper men, or the man who sent them back in time in the first place.


Jon B. - Nov 17, 2012 11:55:43 am PST #21730 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

New trailer for the Doctor Who Christmas Special:

Someone's been skimming! Jon B. "Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon" Nov 16, 2012 1:49:28 pm PST


§ ita § - Nov 17, 2012 12:13:08 pm PST #21731 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Olivia being all dosed up was pretty key to a lot of the plot points.

Well, yeah, of course. But has it come up this season? Now that they don't need to turn on lightbulbs or jump between dimensions, does it have any impact on the plot line? Since it's been so important for the arc and what connected Olivia and Walter's pasts, now that they're deliberately winding down and tying everything off, I'm wondering if it's going to be relevant.


Fiona - Nov 17, 2012 12:38:45 pm PST #21732 of 30001

Someone's been skimming!

Well, it's twenty to midnight on a Saturday night, and I am up working (mostly) with no prospect of going to bed soon, so... yeah.

(Sorry!)


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 17, 2012 1:26:41 pm PST #21733 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think it was left purposefully vague. The possible father, to me, seem to be Nathan, one of the newspaper men, or the man who sent them back in time in the first place.

Sarah seemed pretty conscientious about her nursing duties, so I don't think the third is very likely.


aurelia - Nov 17, 2012 1:47:10 pm PST #21734 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Did her sister exist in the world without Peter timeline? I thought she didn't.

She did exist and was still married and had TWO kids.

I'm wondering if it's going to be relevant.

They haven't mentioned it this season. I kind of wonder if she'll have to thrown down with Peter to get the tech out of his head and if Walter will whip some up to help her out.