I'm sorry. You were going to ask me to choose, right? Did you want to finish?

Zoe ,'War Stories'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 15, 2012 4:57:55 pm PST #21693 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

He was able to convince me that his Dollhouse character was a moron with tunnel vision. That's what he was shooting for, right?


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2012 6:04:59 pm PST #21694 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Gimme a call when he takes a role shooting for anything else.

I find Arrow okay enough CW fluff, except...except for the arrogance Ollie displays when he's training. He had 5 years. It was a really hard five years, clearly traumatic if nothing had happened beyond his father's pointed suicide, but I don't think that he's gained the right to talk to Diggle that way. It makes me want to see Diggle outwit him at every turn, not just to get hospital bills paid for.


Typo Boy - Nov 15, 2012 7:04:01 pm PST #21695 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Before Ollie was shipwrecked he as totally an arrogant ass. I would assume that is not necessarily something you lose. So the island changed him, but he still has a big streak of arrogant ass. In short I don't read this as the writers want us to sympathize with his talking to Diggle that way.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2012 7:09:29 pm PST #21696 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I do read it as supported by the text, because the times when he's arrogant in the real world, the response to him is judgey, and we get that he's a real boy, deep inside.

When he's arrogant in training, it comes across as paired with being decisive, and it's too close to flashbacks of great privation, and it goes unusurped. It is possible the text is subtle and there's a long term payoff but...no, I don't feel it coming.

As for Vampire Diaries I actually, literally felt sick tonight. I am stupid, this should have happened before, but they killed the black hunter a couple eps back and they killed the black hybrid today, and they continuous Negro death parade as well as the absolute moral void at the centre of the show (it's a vortex of self-indulgence and short term satisfaction) and I just feel grungey.

I'm sufficiently fidgety that I just liked having something between 8 and 9 on Thursday, but seriously--fuck you.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2012 6:04:47 am PST #21697 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And of course I shouldn't have ranted on IO9 too, because all of the "Racism? U MAD?" I'm sure to get...1 so far.

Whatever. They don't need to introduce and kill black characters like that, because *they* have no balance, and the genre doesn't have balance, and the US doesn't have balance. There is NO reason they can't have black characters be the ones that stick around longer. Bonnie's supposed to be in the core group, but how often is she even *with* the core group?


sumi - Nov 16, 2012 6:15:23 am PST #21698 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, they keep introducing black characters and then making them peripheral at which point they get killed off.

It's too bad they didn't kill off Luxe's nemesis from Secret Circle.

ETA: I kept on cutting them slack but you're right: they've used up all their breaks and need to do something.

OTOH, you can totally watch Last Resort (or as I keep wanting to call it "Lost Resort") in the same time frame).


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2012 6:46:30 am PST #21699 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'll try catching up on that.

Grr. Just...grr.

Hand in hand with killing the two last black guys is: THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG. I know Tyler yelled at Caroline about Chris, but Connor was trying to fucking save lives. I am also way past the inverted moral compass. I was watching around it, thinking it was just a show not about heroes, and all shows don't need heroes, but by now I think it's a show where the protagonists are the bad guys, but the text doesn't damn them for it.


sumi - Nov 16, 2012 6:59:16 am PST #21700 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

It's true - the protagonists have no big picture. Maybe ultimately, Jeremy is our future hero. He is a hunter and if he actually escapes from his sister and her boyfriends . . . he could have a chance to team up with Bonnie and kill enough vampires to find that cure.


§ ita § - Nov 16, 2012 7:17:43 am PST #21701 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Connor was clearly a nutbag. I don't want to make it look like holding hostage is the way the good good guys do it. But that town is infested with monsters, and at this point? There are humans on the bad guys side too.

And I have no idea what's the deal with April or how old she is. That just got more confusing, not less.


sumi - Nov 16, 2012 7:21:44 am PST #21702 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Yeah, April's age makes no sense. . . but I can't decide if that is a ridiculous oversight or some sort of plot point.