Or maybe you could just be Buffy, he'll see your amazing heart, and he'll fall in love with you.

Xander ,'Get It Done'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


-t - Oct 01, 2012 6:32:28 pm PDT #21282 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

River said she's send the book to Amy to be published. No idea what that means.

Rory was definitely fighting back. The point was not to avoid being sent back in time again, it was to cause a paradox and poison the angels.


Consuela - Oct 01, 2012 7:12:52 pm PDT #21283 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Rory was definitely fighting back. The point was not to avoid being sent back in time again, it was to cause a paradox and poison the angels.

Yep. And to not have to be running away from the angels for his entire life.

Not that I understand why they would just keep coming after him, but then I thought that there was a remarkable lack of logic in the episode, even for a Moffat script.

Frankly, I seem to have a lot of trouble following Moffat's logic. It never makes any sense to me, even when it has lots of emotional weight (like the whole business with the Pandorica and Amy's wedding).


§ ita § - Oct 01, 2012 7:25:21 pm PDT #21284 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

The premise seemed to be that he was in immediate and persistent danger, but that all of New York was potential food.

Charlie Jane's article hinged on suicide as an escape, and no...not the plot of this story, although it has happened, and the other example she brought up (it was the sort of article that ruins the other piece in the title once you work out which trope she means in the one you've seen) was fighting back too...sometimes it's high personal cost, sometimes your friends or an awkward angel pull you out and it's not quite right for one reason or another, and sometimes it's just dead in the service of saving others--we deem that heroic, even if we look askance at kamikaze, there's a way to not have it be a Thelma and Louise (or even Butch and Sundance).


-t - Oct 01, 2012 7:27:45 pm PDT #21285 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

why they would just keep coming after him

Because if he successfully gets away that's also a paradox? A slower one, so they'll have opportunities to send him to where/whenever he needs to go to die in that hotel room so they can avoid the whole poisoned farm thing.

This episode made me cry buckets, so the flaws in logic are not exactly jumping out at me.


Shir - Oct 02, 2012 6:54:10 am PDT #21286 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

I love it when geeks are being geeks. With charts to explain their argument (why Moffat is a brilliant writer, but a bad showrunner): [link] [link]

(Original post is in Hebrew, but doesn't give much further information. Posting here for the charts, not for the sake/reason of argument. Not sure I agree with it all).


Consuela - Oct 02, 2012 6:56:59 am PDT #21287 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Shir, that's cute! I'm not sure I'd disagree with either chart much.


Dana - Oct 02, 2012 3:34:17 pm PDT #21288 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Revolution is slowly winning me over, mostly through the sheer awesomeness of Miles. (And the slashiness.)


aurelia - Oct 02, 2012 5:17:47 pm PDT #21289 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Once Upon a Time: I didn't realize Michael Raymond-James was going to be in the show this season! That might make me stick around.

That was a curious little glimpse of him.

Did anyone else laugh like a loon at Henry's "Grandpa?" I had to pause the show, I was laughing so hard.


sj - Oct 02, 2012 5:22:53 pm PDT #21290 of 30001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

That was a curious little glimpse of him.

TVLine had screenshots of his apartment for clues as to who he might be.

Did anyone else laugh like a loon at Henry's "Grandpa?" I had to pause the show, I was laughing so hard.

That was hysterical. I wanted to give up on this show, but it's getting good again.


aurelia - Oct 02, 2012 5:36:59 pm PDT #21291 of 30001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

TVLine had screenshots of his apartment for clues as to who he might be.

Cool. I'll check that out. It seem the big question on twitter was, who is Dr. Whale?

Oh, I never saw Mulan. What do I need to know about her?