Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

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Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

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This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Consuela - Sep 18, 2012 7:14:40 pm PDT #21139 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

But I'm seeing lots of hopeful speculation--people trying to find explanations that mean they don't have to hate the show like they did based on the first descriptions.

I think I'm more likely to hate it because of other stupidities. Like the low-rise leather pants and the blonde's infeasibly perfect curls. All the men but the geek seem to have access to really good razors, nobody's teeth have rotted out, and Eric Kripke has been bingeing on The Hunger Games and Lord of the Rings and Jericho (down to the suspiciously-informed black person with an internet connection). Oh, and Twilight, since that Nate fella is a dead ringer for the werewolf kid.

I liked the visuals, but... well, I guess we'll see. At least there are more women doing things already than we got in the entire first two seasons of Falling Skies.

... I would forgive a lot if they were to cast Lennie James, though!


Calli - Sep 19, 2012 1:25:38 am PDT #21140 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

nobody's teeth have rotted out,

They probably have less access to sugar, which might help with this.


Matt the Bruins fan - Sep 19, 2012 5:19:22 am PDT #21141 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Does whatever knocked out electricity also transmute all the baking soda in the world into something people couldn't brush their teeth with?


Consuela - Sep 19, 2012 7:25:26 am PDT #21142 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Does whatever knocked out electricity also transmute all the baking soda in the world into something people couldn't brush their teeth with?

True, but I bet dentists are thinner on the ground. And anesthesia. And x-rays, and anti-biotics, etc.

If you have good genes and brush your teeth and floss regularly, you're probably mostly okay for a while. But there's nobody around to repair a cracked or broken tooth, no orthodontists to straighten the kids' teeth, no one to effectively kill the pain of doing what little dentistry can be done. No flouride in the water. The likely diet of whole grains and vegetables is harder on the teeth than ours is. And anyone unlucky enough to inherit bad teeth is going to be in bad shape.

That said, I don't really expect any television show to acknowledge the myriad medical & logistical problems of a post-apocalyptic scenario--it's too unattractive and too much work. They're just looking at the romantic aspects of ruined cities and rebuilding civilization.

I still think the leather low-rise pants are ludicrous: why on earth are all the clothes the exact same fashions we are wearing today? Even after half the planet dies off, fashions change.


Jessica - Sep 19, 2012 7:34:10 am PDT #21143 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

why on earth are all the clothes the exact same fashions we are wearing today?

No electricity = no Lucky magazine?


Vonnie K - Sep 19, 2012 7:38:14 am PDT #21144 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

What I want to know is, where did the kindly black lady get an inhaler? Her son's yeah, but it's been 15 years since blackout. Nobody is manufacturing new inhalers for asthma without power, and whatever the kid had back 15 years ago is long expired.

But yeah, not as distracting as the low-rise pants and the perfect hair. So irritating. While I did not think much of a Charlie actress, a practical non-fashionista wardrobe and hair in a braid would have made me a lot less annoyed.


tiggy - Sep 19, 2012 7:49:50 am PDT #21145 of 30001
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

the kindly black lady is obviously "in the know" though since she had one of those doohickeys and could make her power come back on. so maybe she's connected to people still making things like inhalers.

can't believe i'm talking about this show. it was stupid and boring.


Theodosia - Sep 19, 2012 12:15:12 pm PDT #21146 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Um, maybe whatever magic maguffin killed electricity also killed dental caries?

I haven't even seen the show yet but I can already tell that at least half the fun for me is poking holes in the scenario.


dcp - Sep 19, 2012 2:49:47 pm PDT #21147 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

half the fun for me is poking holes

Watch for the flat-spinning passenger jets with the nav-lights still shining.

Still, it has Giancarlo Esposito, and it is fun to watch what he can do with a character who can be either charming or scary or both.


Consuela - Sep 19, 2012 2:59:23 pm PDT #21148 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Watch for the flat-spinning passenger jets with the nav-lights still shining

Oh, yeah! And from a physics point of view, wouldn't the planes keep going forward for a while, rather than dropping like rocks? After all, they would have had pretty impressive forward momentum...

Also, the way the lights went out in a very orderly progression across the landscape & the globe. That was definitely a case of someone sacrificing logic in favor of drama. Pretty, but stupid.