I hear you. I just have a different view of it, I guess.
Mal: Cut it out. Job's not done until we're back on Serenity. Zoe: Sorry, sir. Didn't mean to enjoy the moment.
'Ariel'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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Pix - Sep 05, 2012 6:26:48 pm PDT #21032 of 30001
The status is NOT quo.
§ ita § - Sep 05, 2012 6:39:38 pm PDT #21033 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The Doctor's too good to be true--is it because his name is above the fold that it doesn't matter when he does it? Too good to be true is kinda everyone--it's Eliot or Parker or Hardison or Nate or Sophie. They're all tops of their respective games, smacking people down left right and centre, to randomly grab another franchise. The Winchesters are the only ones who can beat both heaven and hell in the same day, and Castiel is the only angel who really grasps the importance of free will and the value of humans. Chuck is the only one who can take the Intersect (until he's not), no one outfights Sarah, but no one is badder assed than Casey.
Basically, I don't understand where competence porn ends (because we mostly cheer that) and Mary Sue begins.
I'm more with Suela's definition--it's about two things for me--the author's apparent relationship to her (very unreliable to tease out), and the degree to which she's a black hole twisting the fabric around her.
DCJensen - Sep 05, 2012 7:27:13 pm PDT #21034 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.
Typo Boy - Sep 05, 2012 8:20:27 pm PDT #21035 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Deleted because it makes no sense without the previous post for a straight line
Jon B. - Sep 06, 2012 4:37:50 am PDT #21036 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Dan -- I deleted your post as it is a casting spoiler.
DebetEsse - Sep 06, 2012 5:13:29 am PDT #21037 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Said casting spoiler is addressed in spoilers lite.
Consuela - Sep 06, 2012 6:14:24 am PDT #21038 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I'm more with Suela's definition--it's about two things for me--the author's apparent relationship to her (very unreliable to tease out), and the degree to which she's a black hole twisting the fabric around her.
And not all Mary Sues are badly done, either. There's an old Star Trek novel, Uhura's Song, with a character who's a classic Mary Sue, and people love her. For me, the problem with Mary Sue is the way she personifies the author's emotional relationship with the text: I don't want to know that much about the writer's id.
And I say that as someone who has most certainly written a Mary Sue or two in my time. It's just that some of them are better camouflaged than others...
§ ita § - Sep 06, 2012 6:42:02 am PDT #21039 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Most of what I've written has been Mary Sue of the most deliberate sleeps-with-the-dreamy-guy, fights-like-a-badass type.
And it was fun to write, but I don't expect anyone else to enjoy it.
Zenkitty - Sep 06, 2012 8:22:35 am PDT #21040 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
Most of what I've written has been Mary Sue of the most deliberate sleeps-with-the-dreamy-guy, fights-like-a-badass type.
I'm not sure it counts as a Mary Sue when you actually *are* the sleeps-with-the-dreamy-guy, fights-like-a-badass type.
Vonnie K - Sep 06, 2012 10:25:37 am PDT #21041 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
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