Oh DEAR, has it been that bad? I mean, unsurprising I guess but I still feel bad for the guy. Derek SO needs all the hugs, and a firm clip around the ear from time to time.

Yes, I would rather Stiles stayed human (were he a wolf, I think he might be more of an alpha than Scott, actually). What I'd like from fanfic at the moment is some good long Hale family backstory stuff - guilt-stricken Derek and bereft Laura on the road, clutching a few soot-smudged relics of their lives, like reverse Winchesters: hiding from hunters, saving things - tbe family business.

They were referring to Stiles and Allison, etc, as a pack, so who knows how far the metaphor extends.

Is season 2 over now?

Is season 2 over now?

The finale is next week.

Aha! Cool. I'm hoping/assuming I'll be able to score DVDs pretty soon, then.

I thought this week was the last episode, with the way they opened it (reminiscent of the start of The Reichenbach Fall, but with more manic energy (aka Stiles)). But if that had been the cliffhanger...

Well, they can do one, but I don't like that one.

And I sorely hope, that unlike TVD, they do keep core members of the cast human. After admitting that Elena was supernatural by having her kill Alaric, and then vamping her on top of that, and Jeremy seeing ghosts, the town is running out of humans, and no one seems to care that some of the inhumans are actually monstrous to boot.

We are assuming he bit Mama Argent, aren't we?

Yeah, but that was in a fight where she went all stabbity on him and was trying to murder one of his betas. I don't think recruiting her was his intent. It's ambiguous whether Derek wanted to send a message to the Argents by infecting one of their own or he he just didn't get in a good enough chomp to kill her.

Is the assumption that werewolves turn people by accident? I'd assumed that it was a deliberate fuck you choice, not a fight he couldn't finish. No, not a recruit move, because she's not supposed to choose to live that way--I'm assuming he's bargaining on pretty much what we saw.

Without the flash of her eyes, though. Which is why it wasn't a particularly good idea, but it did seem like a Derek idea.

God, just thinking of the piss poor job he did tying his pack up that same night--Derek, love ya, but you need to hire Stiles as your personal assistant, and you can go back to being a (but not the) pretty face.

Man--was there any "we're on a break!" Scott/Derek? I'm not remotely interested in reading it, but I have to say I'm pretty impressed if that *never* took off, not even for a smidgen of inbetween with all the "Scott, you can't be with Allison and be a wolf" and the snarling at each other and the fights and them being the only two (for a while) who could really go all out with each other.

Call me burnt by Supernatural, but Allison would have been fridged (if given that much respect) in so many ways to have those two knotting each other butts, I don't even...

Hey--I have only read a few shippy Teen Wolf pieces, none of which had knotting. It well-represented?

Going for the threepeat:

It's hard to see how other people are watching things, sometimes. I got into a discussion with someone who felt the Argents were somehow isolated or small town, and Derek was part of something bigger than just Beacon Hill. He's a part of a larger supernatural world, but the Argents are a handful of family hunters.

Whereas, I see a kid playing house living in ruins, trying to recreate a family around himself, and the Argents represent something bigger in time and space--they go as far back as Louis the umpteenth, as far afield as France, there are other families, there are rules, there is enough influence to install a principal...how is blundering Derek who is bested by Stiles when it comes to raising a puppy reflecting a larger world? He's small town Beacon Hills, not the people who had a werewolf weakness named after them.