Every nightmare I have that doesn't revolve around academic failure or public nudity is about that thing. In fact, once I dreamt that it attacked me while I was late for a test and naked.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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JoeCrow - Jun 28, 2012 4:14:52 am PDT #20484 of 30001
"what's left when you take biology and sociology out of the picture?" "An autistic hermaphodite." -Allyson

I think part of the Buffy/Angel-verse problem came when they started writing in-story differences between demons that were supernatural evil guys hybridized with humans (vamps, D'hoffryn, dudes like that) and demons that were just sentient beings from other universes (Lorne, whatzername the princess played by Bai Ling, dudes like that), but never actually said what the difference was. For a while, the main difference seemed to be that Angel and crew treated non-harmful demons like people and Buffy just kinda stabbed anything non-human (unless it was cute), but that broke down towards the end of the series. But then there's Doyle, earth-born hybrid demon, but I'm pretty sure he had a soul.

Hunh. I dunno.


§ ita § - Jun 28, 2012 4:25:16 am PDT #20485 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

TB, are you assuming that any monster/demon that didn't have to be evil the way vampires did had a soul? So, Oz and Merle are equivalent? What explains the fact that vampires seem to be a minority--we haven't explicitly been shown any other sort of monster/demon who had no choice, right?


Typo Boy - Jun 28, 2012 4:44:23 am PDT #20486 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No just that Oz, being a human, had a soul before he was bitten/scratched/whatever, and there is no reason to assume he lost it. Plus his behavior did not change except during the full moon. So not Merle equivalent. Just not without a soul.

From what I understand, all demons were without souls, just some of them did not have to be evil. And no the soul thing never made sense, in part because how having a soul or not interacted with eviltude changed. When did we first see a non-evil demon (other than Angel who explicitly had a soul added)? As I remember, and my memory is not reliable, we did not see one during the first season.

But the Pylea episode showed that the particular kind of Demon who possessed dead human bodies to create vampires was not only a predator, but an animal predator (the "blood beast"). So basically vampires were dead bodies possessed by an evil animal spirit - why they retained so much of humanity (the intelligence came from the human brain, not the demon) but were pretty much over the top evil (the demon part was pretty much purely present oriented and not very rational.)

Other demons were evil or not depending. I guess the ones who could live on big gulps had no particular reason to be evil. So what the soul did exactly I'm not sure. Added guilt? Demons who chose not to be evil seemed not be guilt motivated. In the case of vampires, even those who wanted to stop drinking human blood needed a soul to have a chance to overcome their desire. Also, even Spike got a case of the guilts for a while once he got a soul. Drove him mad for a while.

Even though he appeared to get over it, there are hints he still felt some guilt (some of his conversations with Angel) Just unlike Angel, once he recovered his mental footing, he did not brood and dwell on what could not be changed.


Kalshane - Jun 28, 2012 5:38:51 pm PDT #20487 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Now that Korra can restore people's bending (fan comic): [link]


Dana - Jun 28, 2012 5:39:56 pm PDT #20488 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

My favorite bit of proposed fanon I've seen is that Zuko was responsible for the giant Aang statue, just to irritate Aang.


flea - Jun 28, 2012 5:41:04 pm PDT #20489 of 30001
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Who is responsible for Aang's incredibly stupid beard?


Kalshane - Jun 28, 2012 6:10:48 pm PDT #20490 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

My favorite bit of proposed fanon I've seen is that Zuko was responsible for the giant Aang statue, just to irritate Aang.

That's awesome. And would explain why it's a statue of Young Aang, not an older Aang a memorial statue would more likely be.

Who is responsible for Aang's incredibly stupid beard?

Aang's beard doesn't bother me. The goofy enlongated Shaggy thing that middle-aged Sokka is sporting, on the other hand...


Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2012 6:14:58 pm PDT #20491 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It took me too long to get this, but it's hilarious.


Kalshane - Jun 28, 2012 6:16:04 pm PDT #20492 of 30001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Okay, the absurdity of this makes me laugh: [link]

I'm stuck in a Tumblr loop. Help me...

ETA: Similiar theme to P-C's: [link]


Polter-Cow - Jun 28, 2012 6:31:29 pm PDT #20493 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

You know, I really did like Amon as a villain, but he's generated some hilarious Internet memes.