Which supernatural show would you give top points to for worldbuilding? Both in terms of cribbing from "real" lore and in terms of internal consistency?
(I hope the answer isn't ATLA, because I haven't seen much of it yet--still working on that)
Anya: We should drop a piano on her. It always works for that creepy cartoon rabbit when he's running from that nice man with the speech impediment. Giles: Yes, or perhaps we could paint a convincing fake tunnel on the side of a mountain.
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§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 10:15:44 am PDT #20470 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Polter-Cow - Jun 27, 2012 10:31:37 am PDT #20471 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Sorry, it's A:TLA.
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 10:43:14 am PDT #20472 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Good god, take it back.
What's the second best, dammit?
Polter-Cow - Jun 27, 2012 10:43:27 am PDT #20473 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Korra.
-t - Jun 27, 2012 11:05:13 am PDT #20474 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Oh, those count as one thing, come on.
Maybe Game of Thrones, but I suspect there's more world building on display in the books than on the show.
Hm, I'll have to give it more thought.
Jessica - Jun 27, 2012 3:08:18 pm PDT #20475 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Hmmm. Farscape, maybe. Or Angel.
DebetEsse - Jun 27, 2012 3:17:13 pm PDT #20476 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
I would like to nominate Fringe.
§ ita § - Jun 27, 2012 3:39:33 pm PDT #20477 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Okay, I *have* seen Fringe, and I'm surprised at that. Their science seems to be totally whatever's-required-this-week, and I don't know how many people agree with each other or the writers on what happened last season--did he switch timelines, did he stay put and change one, what? Mytharc-wise I know they're paying more attention than X Files ever did, but the entire first season is pretty much a wash as far as structure is concerned.
Farscape strikes me as a good one--I don't recall experiencing big holes, or thinking X would happen and Y could not, and then Y is what happened.
Angel suffered from the Buffy problem of "What exactly do demonity and soul-having mean?" I think the vampire stuff was pretty consistent, but when they made the Lorne/Doyle point that being a demon didn't mean anything morally, I remember being confused about what having a soul meant or didn't mean. When you look at Angel or Spike, it seems pretty sensible--demon wants carnage and all the will in the world won't stop it--nothing short of a soul or the sticking plaster of a Pavlovian implant will alter that behaviour.
Is the premise, then, that the Merles of the world were demons with souls, and vampires were demons without? I mostly remember confusion on the point--I couldn't bring up any citations supporting anything.
DebetEsse - Jun 27, 2012 3:47:52 pm PDT #20478 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
Hmmm, fair points. I meant more in terms of the feeling of the altverse seeming fully formed and real, rather than coherent, consistent mechanics.
Consuela - Jun 27, 2012 3:48:21 pm PDT #20479 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I think Farscape's world-building is, in fact, the most consistent, since it's mostly physical and political, rather than philosophical/theological, like the Buffyverse or SPN.
Is the premise, then, that the Merles of the world were demons with souls, and vampires were demons without?
I think... I think that demons don't have souls, but the demons that make vampires are a specific type of demon, and that's why they're so awful?
I dunno. It never made much sense to me,