Spike: We got a history, him and me. Fred: What? Spike: It was a long time ago. He was a young Watcher, fresh out of the academy when we crossed paths. It was a, what-you-call battle of wills and blood was spilled. Vendettas were sworn. It was a whole-- Fred: My God you're so full of crap. Spike: Yeah. Okay.

'Unleashed'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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Zenkitty - Apr 14, 2012 6:15:33 am PDT #19930 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Especially because there's a couple of Wesen he's killed that could have been neutralized non-lethally.

But he doesn't know anything about his abilities, except what he's read in his aunt's books, and he surely hasn't sat down and read them all yet.


Typo Boy - Apr 14, 2012 1:04:34 pm PDT #19931 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

>hy not have Monroe wolf out

But ordinary humans can't see the Wesen in their true form. Only Grimms can. That's kinda the point of the show, right?

You missed the second half of that sentence "and leap to heights humans can't, lift things humans can't"

Monroe might not look "wolfy' to the girlfriend, but he still would be leaping from the ground to the roof, or maybe lifting a Volkswagon (not sure he is THAT strong) and in general performing feats of strength. We've been given no reason to think humans can't see feats of strength even if the Weisen form looks human to them.


quester - Apr 14, 2012 2:19:48 pm PDT #19932 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Broyles, man. It's rough being Broyles in any universe, I guess.

No kidding!


Zenkitty - Apr 14, 2012 2:58:58 pm PDT #19933 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

You missed the second half of that sentence "and leap to heights humans can't, lift things humans can't"

I didn't miss it, I was responding to the first half. However, you're right, that might serve to convince her at least that he's not crazy.


-t - Apr 14, 2012 8:28:03 pm PDT #19934 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

But ordinary humans can't see the Wesen in their true form. Only Grimms can. That's kinda the point of the show, right?

I thought it was just that a Grimm can see glimpses of the true form when the Wesen is in human form. Surely a regular human being attacked by a blutbad in full on wolf form would see a wolf or why the big bad wolf stories?

It's curious that Nick has noticed nothing at all weird about Renard. I suppose he's got iron control.

I am unclear about whether Grimm blood strips Wesen-ness in general, or just when a potion is in play. Or just Hexenbeasts. Not a lot of clarity in the mythology at this point.


Theodosia - Apr 15, 2012 3:12:39 am PDT #19935 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I am unclear about whether Grimm blood strips Wesen-ness in general, or just when a potion is in play. Or just Hexenbeasts. Not a lot of clarity in the mythology at this point.

Good point.

I know I probably missed an episode or two. Has it been established that Renard is Wesen for sure?


Zenkitty - Apr 15, 2012 3:55:46 am PDT #19936 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I thought it was just that a Grimm can see glimpses of the true form when the Wesen is in human form. Surely a regular human being attacked by a blutbad in full on wolf form would see a wolf or why the big bad wolf stories?

That would actually make more sense. I had gotten the impression that only the Grimms could see the Wesen's true form at all, but I don't know.

Haven't seen the latest one yet. I figured Renard was not a Wesen since Grimm-guy* hadn't twigged to anything amiss. But again, I don't know.

Not a lot of clarity in the mythology at this point.

Indeed.

*You can figure I'm not real invested in the show when I can't even remember the main character's name. --Oh, right, it's Nick Something.


Typo Boy - Apr 15, 2012 9:30:39 am PDT #19937 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I still insist that the main character's name is Monroe. Nick is just a sidekick, no matter what the showrunners believe.

And I'm pretty sure Reynard is a weissen. Maybe they'll surprise me and he'll turn out to be a Grimm. I don't remember whether or not we've ever seen him "change". I seem to remember a glimpse of him in fox face, but who knows If I actually saw that or extrapolated it from the name.


Theodosia - Apr 15, 2012 9:57:15 am PDT #19938 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I still insist that the main character's name is Monroe.

Second.


DCJensen - Apr 15, 2012 7:31:50 pm PDT #19939 of 30001
All is well that ends in pizza.

Third.