Mal: I call you back? Wash: No, Mal. You didn't. Zoe: I take full responsibility, cap.

'Out Of Gas'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Dana - Mar 18, 2012 7:07:21 pm PDT #19726 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Yeah, there are 10 volumes. Totally worth the library trip.


Strix - Mar 18, 2012 7:14:09 pm PDT #19727 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I will have to pay my fines and check it out. Although it might be easier to just buy it.

I'll get to that, Zen...before or after I do a modern re-telling of "The Goblin Market."

Hrm. Mash-up?!


Polter-Cow - Mar 18, 2012 10:48:00 pm PDT #19728 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Y: The Last Man is awesome, and I think I might try to catch up on the comic over the hiatus, especially because I hear good things about this new character.

They don't seem to waste bullets, and they talk about running out, but other than showing Andrea grab for them, I don't think they make that real enough.

ZOMG SERIOUSLY.

Yeah, I was a little irked by that -- I was like "Everyone's making' head shots from moving vehicles in the dark? WTF ever!"

ZOMG SERIOUSLY, PART DEUX.

Lori, weren't you JUST telling Rick to kill Shane?

In conclusion, CARL, STAY IN THE FUCKING HOUSE.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 19, 2012 4:41:44 am PDT #19729 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Darryl made somewhat racist comments early on (and still did in this episode, though it was clearly affectionate busting on Glen), but it's never been reflected in his actions toward the people of color. He jumped in to save an injured T-Dog from a zombie horde early this season without a moment's hesitation to consider his own safety. I think his racism was of the raised-in-an-ignorant-environment sort without the heat of any actual hatred, and he's smart enough to judge the people around him by their deeds rather than their skin color (hence saving most of his disapproval for Lori and Shane).


Typo Boy - Mar 19, 2012 10:09:45 pm PDT #19730 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Lost Girl: the titles seem consist of worse and worse puns. Eventually I presume we will get "YMC Fae".

Trick is right on Bo taking Kenzie for granted, but the problem goes deeper. Bo literally pats Kenzie on the head whenever Kenzie has done something she especially approves of. I think part of it was that Kenzie suggested herself as sidekick in the first episode. Even if Bo has figured out that she has been treating Kenzie unfairly, I think she still has not figured out that Kenzie is more than a sidekick, that in spite of the lack of superpowers she is an equal. Then again, I'm not sure Kenzie has figured that out either.

Kenzie saved Trick's ass twice - in both cases by being cleverer and more worldly-wise than the Fae. Maybe they should have named her Jackie...

I'm guessing we will see Saskia again.


Tom Scola - Mar 20, 2012 5:46:51 am PDT #19731 of 30001
hwæt

Is anyone else watching Danger 5?


JenP - Mar 20, 2012 9:18:04 am PDT #19732 of 30001

I haven't even heard of it, which makes me feel like a slacker, strangely. What and where is it?

ETA: Googled and watched a trailer. Interesting. It made me think of Get Smart, only less innocent but still totally goofy. (I started to type The Mod Squad for Get Smart. What's up, brain? I loved The Mod Squad, too. Anyway...)


Tom Scola - Mar 20, 2012 10:05:49 am PDT #19733 of 30001
hwæt

You can watch the whole first episode here: [link]


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 10:16:29 am PDT #19734 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I can't believe they had Bo staring off past Kenzie as she talked at the end of the episode. I thought she was finally pulling her head a couple inches out of her ass. I fully get her righteous indignation about the doctor (that was some massively fucked up shit), but just about all of the rest of her judgement I find wack. And I'm liking Kenzie more and more.

It felt way predictable that succubus #2 would do something at the last minute to sour her relationship with Bo. It seemed too simple that Bo would finally learn something about herself and her powers, and honestly, it hadn't struck me up until now how passive she'd been about the whole thing. I know she's trying not to get caught up in the Fae politics and stuff, but I do kinda feel that maybe she wasn't even using the resource of the doctor as much as she could. She didn't seem to have done much research into how other succubi operated, I mean.


Typo Boy - Mar 20, 2012 11:22:13 am PDT #19735 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The staring past Kenzie thing totally fits in with seeing her as a beloved pet. She needed the distraction, so she asked for her story so that she would make noises to distract Bo from her guilt, but still does not care what Kenzie is saying. In short, totally has removed her head even one inch.

And I think I see within the plot what is going on. Canonically we have never been given reason to believe Bo is the sharpest crayon in the box either intellectually or emotionally. They never explicitly compared her to box of rocks, but never done anything that would prevent our making the comparison.

But also her history may explain some of it. Basically she was traumatized by killing her first lover (not explicitly in high school but probably) and then becoming a fugitive. From then on her sex life was exclusively part of being a serial killer and some time rapist. That rules out romance. And as a fugitive the indication (not proven but strongly hinted) is that she did not dare make friends. So social life was casual short term and emotionless. Her last emotional connection was from high school. So basically her social development, her ability to deal with friends and lovers is frozen at the stage of a not very mature high school student. (Probably I'm thinking this through more than the writers, but not necessarily - that last scene with Kenzie may be indicating that they have thought it through. They have actually signaled a few bits of what turns out to be canon fairly subtly in the past, and this is not subtle.)

So when Kenzie proposed being a "sidekick" because Bo was the "toughest" in the first episode, I think Bo translated this emotionally into being in high school and taking someone lower on the social ladder as her BFF. Spending a lot of time around Fae who refer to Kenzie as a pet made this worse, and I think at this point, even though Bo denies it she sees Kenzie as faithful, adorable, sometimes exasperating, but beloved pet.

I think if that is to change Kenzie will have to take the lead. At this point Bo depends on the people she is in a relationship with (of any kind including simple friendship) to define the terms of the relationship more. She may renegotiate at the margins, but overall takes people on the terms they set or leaves them. She is not capable at this of either being the one to define the relationship, or initiate a fundamental change in terms. That is part of the thing with Lauren. Aside from the whole betrayal thing, even if Bo decides to forgive, Bo would have to define fundamental new terms for the relationship, and she is not (at this moment) capable of that.