I'm supposed to deliver you to the Master now. There's this whole deal where I get to be immortal. Are you cool with that?

Xander ,'Lessons'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Nora Deirdre - Aug 05, 2011 4:48:04 am PDT #17708 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

(ps- I less than three debating with smonster's spicy brains! I apologize that I'm actually not mentally up to the task right now though.)


smonster - Aug 05, 2011 5:28:28 am PDT #17709 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

So, post-New Man, post-Lad, where does the male of the species stand now? "Well, the world is vastly counted in favour of men at every level - except if you live in a civilised country and you’re sort of educated and middle-class, because then you’re almost certainly junior in your relationship and in a state of permanent, crippled apology. Your preferences are routinely mocked. There’s a huge, unfortunate lack of respect for anything male."

Oh, fucking A wut. I did not see the article link. I'll have to read it, and I suspect it will make me cry/wanna barf/come to loathe Moffat as well. ::sigh::


zuisa - Aug 05, 2011 7:08:07 am PDT #17710 of 30001
call me jacki; zuisa is an internet nick from ancient times =)

So, I finished season two of Fringe. A season in a week isn't THAT bad, right?

Very excited to move on to season three! I continue to be too dumb to figure things out when I should, I literally went, "Why does Olivia need to find the hidden key to her own apartment? Did she leave the real one with Rachel?" But I guess I did figure out that it was not the real Olivia as soon as she asked to use the typewriter. So it could have been worse, I could have been clueless until they revealed the tattoo! Anyway, I'm fairly obsessed. I can't think of anything about the show I don't like. There was an episode I watched yesterday where people (corpses included) kept singing and Gene had polka dots. It was insane and I loved it.


Polter-Cow - Aug 05, 2011 7:35:44 am PDT #17711 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Hee, "Brown Betty" is fun times.

A season in a week isn't THAT bad, right?

When I was mainlining Farscape, I did seasons in a matter of days.


Kate P. - Aug 05, 2011 9:13:08 am PDT #17712 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

[Martha] ended up married to Rose’s ex-boyfriend Mickey

Wait, what? Did this happen on TW? And didn't Mickey end up in the alt-universe? I'm so confused.

That confused me too. Wasn't Martha engaged to a hot doctor? I know we saw her and Mickey having adventures together at some point (during RTD's final episode, maybe?), but I don't remember thinking they were married. Mickey did live in the alt-universe for a while, but I'm pretty sure he ended up returning to "our" universe in the end.

I was super thrilled for Moffat and tired of RTD's maudlin attitude (that extended goodbye sequence in Tennant's final ep? Hurt my poor rolling eyeballs, even if there were parts I liked). And yet, Moffat has not lived up to my expectations.

Same here. And oy, I wish I hadn't read that quote from him.

I'm not crazy about Amy and I adore Rory, so I obviously disagree with the OP and Sady about a few things, but the post and comments did help me realize something about Amy and Rory's relationship: there's no there there. I don't know if the problem is the writing or the acting or if they just have no real chemistry, but I have yet to see a scene between the two of them in which I actually believed that they loved each other or even got along or knew each other very well. So it makes the love triangle stuff even more obnoxious, and it makes Rory's mooning around after Amy seem mostly just sad, and it makes Amy's attitude toward him seem mostly just condescending and kind of mean.


JenP - Aug 05, 2011 9:27:18 am PDT #17713 of 30001

I haven't read the article yet. I just never warmed to grown-up Amy, is my problem, but I adore Rory, and I like Eleven and River Song, so I'm still happy with it. I just figure that within the show, I need to believe that they love Amy, so I go with it, even though I don't really see it.

No episode in Eleven's run has come close to Empty Child/Doctor Dances or Blink for me, but overall, I am enjoying him in the role and the show. I like him equally as well as Ten, and find him kind of refreshing. Man, I still miss Nine and wish we'd gotten more of him.

Moffat's quote, I don't get. I suppose I should read the article. Whatever.


Kate P. - Aug 05, 2011 9:32:32 am PDT #17714 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I like him equally as well as Ten, and find him kind of refreshing. Man, I still miss Nine and wish we'd gotten more of him.

Agreed on all counts. Oh, Nine. *sigh*


smonster - Aug 05, 2011 10:08:54 am PDT #17715 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Here's the interview with Moffat, dating back to Eccleston times. [link]


Vonnie K - Aug 05, 2011 11:50:44 am PDT #17716 of 30001
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.

I just never warmed to grown-up Amy, is my problem

I like Amy fine, but yeah, the wee!Amelia was so freakin' adorable that I never quite got over her growing up. I don't OMG OTP-ship Amy and Rory, but they give me warm and fuzzies. Plus, I never took the so-called love triangle seriously.

My biggest investment in the Moffat run of DW is with River, and Doctor/River. I love their twisty, complicated, funny-tragic relationship and ever-shifting power balance.

Overall, Moffat still has edge over RTD for me because he hasn't yet mangled up season endings in such godawful, self-indulgent emo-porn masturbation. The only RTD season ender that didn't make me roll my eyes until they fell out/give me rage black-out is the first season with Nine.


Scrappy - Aug 05, 2011 12:36:03 pm PDT #17717 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

In reading the actual Moffat interview, he seems to be talking about household stuff, like decorating, not all of life. Which I get--many couples I know have homes where the decorating sensibility is basically the wife's.