Mal: Okay. She won't be winning any beauty contests anytime soon. But she is solid. Ship like this, be with ya 'til the day you die. Zoe: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

'Out Of Gas'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Calli - Jul 22, 2011 10:30:23 am PDT #17601 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

OK. I thought the first couple of episodes were good enough, but nothing special. I'll get the next few discs and keep watching for a while. Thanks!


le nubian - Jul 22, 2011 11:52:45 am PDT #17602 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Yes! Vonnie is right. It is the 7th!


JenP - Jul 22, 2011 12:30:50 pm PDT #17603 of 30001

Yeah, I watched the first few episodes, stopped, then came back at some point - possibly not until S2 - and it was like I was watching a different, and really cool, show. Now I want to go back and watch from the beginning.


Theodosia - Jul 22, 2011 12:35:07 pm PDT #17604 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Oftentimes it's the SF/fantasy shows that take a couple of episodes to hit their stride and from there it's real different ball of makebelieve wax. I think it often takes that long for the writers, actors and directors to get used to the concept(s) and start running with them.

It's a shame that more shows don't get enough time to make the transition.


Typo Boy - Jul 22, 2011 9:23:33 pm PDT #17605 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Ultra belated. But just finished catching up on Being Human(BBCA). I really like the end of the third season. In retrospect, they were setting up Mitchell as somebody who needed to be killed from the beginning. I always thought Mitchell should die, but looking back the writers pretty clearly intended that from day one. Also his being bloody stupid was consistent. He was articulate, charming, emotionally manipulative, and had worse planning skills than either Spike or Angel. Again I'm pretty sure canonical, not the audience spotting something the writers did not know.


le nubian - Jul 23, 2011 5:35:29 am PDT #17606 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

had worse planning skills than either Spike or Angel.

Preach it.


JenP - Jul 23, 2011 3:03:03 pm PDT #17607 of 30001

I don't know whether this has been linked - just a short little interview with Anna Torv from ComiCon. She seems like just such a lovely human... [link]


sumi - Jul 23, 2011 3:41:30 pm PDT #17608 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Capt. Awesome tells us what's awesome and not awesom at ComicCon.

(Nathan Fillion has been tweeting a number of pictures from ComicCon all day. Like this one.)


Zenkitty - Jul 23, 2011 4:05:16 pm PDT #17609 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I quit watching a few eps into the third season of UK Being Human. I figured they were gonna kill Mitchell. Now what I want to know is, are they gonna bring him back? They seemed to be setting that up in the eps I saw.

I WANTED to like Mitchell like I liked Spike and Angel, but I kept being disappointed with him. Angel was repentant and really trying to be good; Spike was evil (until he wasn't) and you knew where you stood with him. Mitchell talked about wanting to be good, but he'd still slaughter a trainload of people and do anything necessary to avoid the consequences. Mitchell's repentance was mostly just the guilt of an adolescent who knows his family will be mad at him and he doesn't want to get punished. He's no Angel. He's not even a Spike.


Typo Boy - Jul 23, 2011 6:38:01 pm PDT #17610 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

No that was the point. He was no Angel. He nor truly repentant not done with murder for good. And they made it clear that he was not coming back. I think in a way it is comment on the whole "repentant vampire" meme. He is like a drunk who attends meeting and tries to stay away from drinking but occasionally slips and goes on a one day binge or even a weeklong binge. Only the one day binge is a murder or two and the week long binge is mass slaughter. So in the end I think the point is that it is NOT like being a drunk or a drug addict. Being addicted to murder is not comparable. With regular addiction, one path out is fail recover, fail again but fail better. In an AA meeting one of the things that happens is some will get up and say something along the lines of "I had a drink last week, but I have five days back". It is not the same if what you had was one or two murders.

Also Mitchell was a dick in other ways besides being a murderer. Which I think was another point. "He's a serial killer, but aside from that one heck of a nice guy". Umm no.

You weren't supposed to like Mitchell. He was supposed to be charming but ultimately unlikeable.

Oh and they specifically said that if vampires are staked they don't come back. And Mitchell was staked. So he did a lot of dickish things to learn how to come back and in the end was killed in a way that he won't come back.

He did have a sort of redemption. He realized that he would never stop killing and voluntarily had himself staked. But he was still a dick about it. Made George do it. Had a bullshit excuse about how he had corrupted George and George staking him would reject him and redeem George. But it was bullshit and I think intended to be read as shut. Nina called it when she said that vampires could not do anything without blood and drama and that Mitchell was incapable of quietly staking himself without fuss.