And now my boy's in love. All hearts and flowers. But, doesn't it freak you out that she used to change your diapers? I mean, when you think about it, the first woman you boned is the closest thing you've ever had to a mother. Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad. Hm. There should be a play.

Angelus ,'Damage'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


Scrappy - Sep 02, 2010 9:09:39 am PDT #14097 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Well, cannibalizing extant stories has been happening since there WERE stories. Shakespeare got most of his plots from previous works. I think the borrowing is fine, as long as the person retelling the story brings creativity to it themselves.

On TV and in film, the whole point of the producers is to make money, so betting on a proven performer usually pushes a project closer to yes than something entirely new. There is a lot of original stuff out there, but no one wants gamble millions of dollars on it.


quester - Sep 02, 2010 9:27:59 am PDT #14098 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

Katara: The King is throwing a party at the palace tonight for his pet bear.
Aang: Don't you mean platypus bear?
Katara: No, it just says, "bear."
Sokka: Certainly you mean his pet skunk bear?
Toph: Or his armadillo bear?
Aang: Gopher bear?
Katara: Just, "bear."
[short pause]
Toph: This place is weird.

I loved that! Also the farm that had pig-sheep, pig-chickens, etc.


beekaytee - Sep 02, 2010 9:38:06 am PDT #14099 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Do you think Wicked had no creativity?

Of course, there are exceptions, but I fear that actually proves the point. Not that I am interested in getting into a subjective innovation of thought-off, but my sense is the list of truly 'creative new visions' list would be woefully short compared to the retread list.

Hey, I enjoyed the concept of the BSG reboot (a bit more than the execution, in the end) but have to agree with Scrappy's assessment about tptb resisting investment in non-sure things.

I suppose the argument is tired before it's even begun, and I'm whinging down a bottomless well, but it does make me sad that we seem to have, as a culture, bought ourselves into a creative corner. (at the risk of dangerously mixing metaphors.)


§ ita § - Sep 02, 2010 9:44:01 am PDT #14100 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there are exceptions, but I fear that actually proves the point

How does it prove the point?

I don't think there's inherently uncreative in retelling a story, or working from existing source material. Because you can rehash tropes in "new" stories all you want. There's not that much new under the sun, and a radically interesting interpretation of Peter Pan will be just as welcome to me as a story I know nothing about--if that is also good.

Quality is the only criterion I care about, and it's not tied to the source.


tommyrot - Sep 02, 2010 1:35:40 pm PDT #14101 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The classic Doctor Who monster that terrified young John Barrowman

Carole Barrowman talks about growing up as a fan of Doctor Who alongside her younger brother John — who became famous as the Doctor's sexiest companion, Captain Jack Harkness, in this excerpt from the anthology Chicks Dig Time Lords.

The whole thing is cute and fun....


Polter-Cow - Sep 02, 2010 1:44:38 pm PDT #14102 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Chicks Dig Time Lords is a pretty good read, if a little repetitive and irrelevant to my interests at times. That was one of the pieces I liked; it was definitely cute and amusing.


tommyrot - Sep 02, 2010 1:57:47 pm PDT #14103 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Feature: 16 of the Best SciFi Cartoons

What, no Venture Bros.?


Connie Neil - Sep 02, 2010 2:45:50 pm PDT #14104 of 30001
brillig

OK, the bit about watching her baby brother killed by her childhood terror was both cute and upsetting. I hope John was suitably appreciative of her sisterly concern.


Tom Scola - Sep 02, 2010 2:52:19 pm PDT #14105 of 30001
hwæt

More like The Best American SciFi Cartoons That The Writer Watched In the Late 80s and Early 90s.

Just restricting it to American shows, I would include no The Venture Brothers, but also Jonny Quest and Thundarr the Barbarian. I also have a fondness for The Galaxy Rangers.


tommyrot - Sep 02, 2010 3:10:56 pm PDT #14106 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I'd almost include Star Trek: The Animated Series just for the episode where Spock goes back in time to hang with his childhood self....