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Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Marvel superheroes are discussed over at the MCU thread.

Whitefont all unaired in the U.S. ep discussion, identifying it as such, and including the show and ep title in blackfont.

Blackfont is allowed after the show has aired on the east coast.

This is NOT a general TV discussion thread.


victor infante - Mar 31, 2008 5:59:38 am PDT #1359 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It almost worked for me, but I just don't think of that sort of moving picture film much these days.

Which, I think, was one of the points -- the medium that destroyed the Night Travelers or whatever they were called is itself in danger of destruction, which means that they'd be lost forever.

Buit yeah. Almost worked does it for me. In fact, it would have worked fine for me if it was on "Buffy," which allows magical logic more easily than the pseudoscientifc "Torchwood." Even when it's delving into mythology, such as with the faeries in "Small Worlds," there's always a "well, they're interdimensional beings that don't exist linearly in time and space." That's "Doctor Who" logic, and I can buy into it.

But there was an implied supernatural element here that through me a little. Although, for the most part, I enjoyed it just fine. Ianto's delight in the old movie house, particularly, was a lot of fun.

And this is evidently the season of dredging up Jack's past -- his Time Agency frenemy (to use a Stephen Colbert word); his brother, a marriage in his past ... now, a time spent as a carnie! Even Martha Jones, at least from the POV of the other Torchwood members, was a piece of Jack's past that they had not been privy to.


victor infante - Mar 31, 2008 5:59:46 am PDT #1360 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

It almost worked for me, but I just don't think of that sort of moving picture film much these days.

Which, I think, was one of the points -- the medium that destroyed the Night Travelers or whatever they were called is itself in danger of destruction, which means that they'd be lost forever.

But yeah. Almost worked does it for me. In fact, it would have worked fine for me if it was on "Buffy," which allows magical logic more easily than the pseudoscientifc "Torchwood." Even when it's delving into mythology, such as with the faeries in "Small Worlds," there's always a "well, they're interdimensional beings that don't exist linearly in time and space." That's "Doctor Who" logic, and I can buy into it.

But there was an implied supernatural element here that threw me a little. Although, for the most part, I enjoyed it just fine. Ianto's delight in the old movie house, particularly, was a lot of fun.

And this is evidently the season of dredging up Jack's past -- his Time Agency frenemy (to use a Stephen Colbert word); his brother, a marriage in his past ... now, a time spent as a carnie! Even Martha Jones, at least from the POV of the other Torchwood members, was a piece of Jack's past that they had not been privy to.


Dana - Mar 31, 2008 6:00:44 am PDT #1361 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

I was just sad that it wasn't creepier. Carnival freaks chasing after you should totally have been creepier.


Jon B. - Mar 31, 2008 6:02:15 am PDT #1362 of 30001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

why did I think that was the season finale? was it in Britain?

The US has three more episodes to go.


§ ita § - Mar 31, 2008 6:14:30 am PDT #1363 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm still wondering about the level of Ianto's investment. He seemed way weepy way fast.


victor infante - Mar 31, 2008 6:18:24 am PDT #1364 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

I'm still wondering about the level of Ianto's investment. He seemed way weepy way fast.

Yeah, Ianto's that weird combination of strong reaction and obscured root cause, which I think is part of what makes him so compelling. There's always a sense of stiull waters running deep with him.

So we see the full-fledged delight in the old movies and old-time cinema, but get nothing about it's causes. Which with a lot of characters would annoy me, but with Ianto? It all kinda seems Ianto-ish.


victor infante - Mar 31, 2008 6:18:31 am PDT #1365 of 30001
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Fred Pete - Mar 31, 2008 6:34:06 am PDT #1366 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

We've known since Cyberwoman that Ianto leads with his heart. (Which I expect to create eventual complications in his relationship with Jack, but that's another story line.) Here, I think there was the added push that he spent happy childhood days in the Electro. So there was an added nostalgia factor for him, even if the films weren't what he saw back then.

Ringmaster was nicely creepy. Pearl wasn't so creepy. And I'd have liked to see more explanation of her obsession with water.

I called Owen's not-breathing as a plot point as he was going upstairs to the projection booth, which is pretty good for me. But now that it's established that he's dead and doesn't have the usual human bodily functions, it's time to stop highlighting it every episode and make it just an ordinary part of life around Torchwood.

All in all, acceptable filler. But not one of the great eps.


lisah - Mar 31, 2008 6:40:18 am PDT #1367 of 30001
Punishingly Intricate

I was just sad that it wasn't creepier. Carnival freaks chasing after you should totally have been creepier.

That was exactly my reaction. It was a little creepy but mostly I thought it was stupid.


sumi - Mar 31, 2008 8:06:04 am PDT #1368 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Jericho season 2 dvds are coming out on June 18th.

Hmmm, the beginning of the episode creeped me out so much that I haven't really watched the rest of it. (TW 2.10, that is.)