Early: Where'd she go? Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's not incorporeally possessing a space ship. Don't look at me.

'Objects In Space'


Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon  

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JenP - Feb 11, 2008 8:38:57 am PST #133 of 30001

Maybe a time travel plot where nobody falls in love at all?

I thought that was a cardinal rule of time travel in general - you will meet your one great love. Or one of your great loves. In any case, you will have to leave him or her behind. Or it, if we're in sci-fi mode.

Anyway, it's why I hesitate to try it. Who needs that kind of heart break?


Polter-Cow - Feb 11, 2008 8:56:47 am PST #134 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Motherfuck! No new Chuck expected till fall either.


Tom Scola - Feb 11, 2008 8:57:49 am PST #135 of 30001
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

I like Chuck, but a little Chuck goes a long way.


Dana - Feb 11, 2008 8:59:38 am PST #136 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

I'm with Scola. I also got really tired with the guy-ness of it all. There's only so many times I need to see the love interest in her skivvies, or the two idiots at the Buy More harassing female customers.


Vortex - Feb 11, 2008 9:09:58 am PST #137 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

What, Torchwood 19mumble couldn't have kept him from going back to the front? Like, a "top secret but crucial service to our country" kind of discharge? That sucks!

Well, past!Torchwood wouldn't have known what happened to him when he got sent to the front. There was no reason to keep him at the hospital. Once they found out, they could have amended the orders at that point not to send him back, but that would be messing with the time stream, and that's a no no. Plus, they don't know if there was something about Tommy that would make it happen again.


Fred Pete - Feb 11, 2008 9:33:15 am PST #138 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Plus, they don't know if there was something about Tommy that would make it happen again.

I want to think that Tommy's experiences with Torchwood (and he didn't have his memories erased!) may have created a wild card effect. His experiences there affect how he reacts once he's back in 1918. And maybe he did something different after he went back.

I think there's a fatal flaw in that line of reasoning, which is that Tommy didn't live linearly. That Tommy-after-he-went-back always had memories of Torchwood.

Which actually raises another question: How much effect did Tosh's answers to his questions have on what he did after he went back? She left him thinking he'd die in battle. Did he try to avoid that?


lisah - Feb 11, 2008 9:43:02 am PST #139 of 30001
Punishingly Intricate

I think there's a fatal flaw in that line of reasoning, which is that Tommy didn't live linearly. That Tommy-after-he-went-back always had memories of Torchwood.

But he didn't remember. He didn't remember what to do with the key thingy and he didn't know who Tosh was.


Emily - Feb 11, 2008 10:27:45 am PST #140 of 30001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

Which was weird, since (after what Jack said) I was expecting Past Torchwood to DO something to his memories -- instead, they seemed to just get replaced automatically once he stepped through the barrier.


Vortex - Feb 11, 2008 10:29:06 am PST #141 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

She left him thinking he'd die in battle. Did he try to avoid that?

perhaps that's what caused the court marshal. He thought that he was going to die in battle, so he tried to avoid it, and got dinged for cowardice.

But he didn't remember. He didn't remember what to do with the key thingy and he didn't know who Tosh was.

Jack said something about losing his short term memory in the rift.


Dana - Feb 11, 2008 10:29:33 am PST #142 of 30001
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

instead, they seemed to just get replaced automatically once he stepped through the barrier.

Maybe because he was in the right time, and he had technically never lived through the 20th century?

Ow. That makes my head hurt. Especially since the real reason is probably "He forgot because we needed him to."

Jack's line about the British soldiers who were shot for cowardice is really painful, though.