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le nubian - Jan 06, 2010 7:58:48 pm PST #11696 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I think vampire mythology is larger than Dracula at this point. It's been so long since I read Dracula, I'm not sure I even recall the original book.

It's like "Little Red Riding Hood" or "Cinderella." I'm not sure it matters whether Cinderella is wearing fur slippers (the original) or glass slippers (the bad translation that survived), but the we generally understand now she was poorly treated by her family and a prince fell for her. Maybe in 2030 it will be common for us to think of vampires walking around in sunlight, but I'm not there yet.


Typo Boy - Jan 06, 2010 8:01:51 pm PST #11697 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

So if they make a Dracula movie, and Dracula walks around in the sunlight they will be doing it wrong, even though he could in the original book?


megan walker - Jan 06, 2010 8:04:26 pm PST #11698 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

So Zombies were just a way for Hollywood to warn against high blood pressure?


le nubian - Jan 06, 2010 8:14:04 pm PST #11699 of 30001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

if they make a dracula movie about dracula, based on the book, I think it should be faithful to the book.

vampire movies in general: I think having them out in sunlight is odd. I watch "Being Human", so this doesn't ruin my enjoyment, but I feel like vampires out in the sun is wrong. Like having a blond Superman.


Typo Boy - Jan 06, 2010 8:18:44 pm PST #11700 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Heh Megan. In all fairness I think horror comics were doing Romero style zombies (minus the brains thing) in the 40s and 50s. But the "slaves and don't feed them salt" thing was not Hollywood but a big default in written horror pre-hollywood. I can't remember Hollywood ever using the salt thing. I think Ray Bradbury did in a short story though. The "you must never feed zombies salt" was slipped in during the course of a short story. (I don't think they were called zombies.) And then as the very last line it was revealed that the wife of the owner of the zombies had felt sorry for them and slipped the poor things some salt peanuts to vary the monotony of their diet. Left to your imagination what happened next. The Bradbury version of an O'Henry twist.


§ ita § - Jan 07, 2010 1:32:44 am PST #11701 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are we assuming the roots of zombies lie in voudoun? Because we lost that a long time ago, horror-wise, and I think that's for the best, considering the mess movies were making of the faith. While I'm sure it's not great for devotees to see zombies as insane killing machines, at least no one is butchering their rituals, instead depicting it as a self-sustaining infection.

Being Human is also dodgy with the staking--sort of a flip side to Buffy, where "heart" was a very loose term.


Fred Pete - Jan 07, 2010 5:46:40 am PST #11702 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

I happen to be reading the original novel Dracula right now (about halfway through -- Lucy has just died). The Count appears to have been seen at least once during the day, but by far most of his activities occur at night. Even very early on, when he's trying to act normal toward Jonathan Harker, he keeps Jonathan up all night and disappears during the day.


Connie Neil - Jan 07, 2010 5:51:33 am PST #11703 of 30001
brillig

"Hm, I can be up all night and have amazing powers, or I can keep normal social hours and not be much more than the piddly humans. When shall I set my alarm clock for?"

I know which I choose.


DebetEsse - Jan 07, 2010 6:43:01 am PST #11704 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Todd (My BF) says the sunlight kills vampire thing sources from the Nosferatu movie. It's an interesting questions, though, when does something go from "shit I just made up for plot convenience" to "no, for reals, that's how [insert mythological character of choice] are!"


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 07, 2010 6:43:55 am PST #11705 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Also, chalky pallor easier to get by with at night, whereas during the day it may result in being accosted by Edgar Winter fans.

if they make a dracula movie about dracula, based on the book, I think it should be faithful to the book.

Agreed. And I'd like to point out that at no point in the novel does Jonathan Harker say "whoa!"