So, Torchwood doesn't count?

Wasn't Susie South Asian?

Also, there was an Indian person who did something evil in TW - I think he worked in a hospital. Can't recall the context. (I know - this isn't helping.)

Micky: in love with Rose who was in love with the Doctor.

Martha: In love with the Doctor who was in love with Rose.

Not really an excellent basis for a marriage.

Wasn't Susie South Asian?

yeah, but she also died in the first ep. And was evil.

and that black people were evil in the first End of Time episode

I didn't think they were evil. I thought they were stupid a-la Roger Sterling of Mad Men: you can afford to be stupid.

As for Martha/Micky: yeah, pretty much what Seska said at #11602. And that might be the only thing about the episode we agreed about!

Edit: also, it's extremely hard to find Middle Easterns who aren't playing terrorists or dead bodies in Western TV.

I'm just wracking my brains trying to find something else those two have in common other than They Both Know What A TARDIS Is.

They both walked off with Captain Jack and were supposed to show up in Torchwood together. I don't think it has as much to do with them being black as it does with them being single and off pursuing the same job at the same time.

Indira Varma got a couple episodes of Torchwood as a pre-series team member. From the naming (Suzie Costello) it looks like they cast her race-blind, but I vaguely seem to recall her father being cast South Asian (is that really the term that covers Indian, etc? What covers Polynesia, etc?)

and that black people were evil in the first End of Time episode

They were also wealthy. They weren't evil because they're black, they're evil because they're rich.

(Note to Universe: If I were to be made wealthy somehow, I promise not to be evil. Really.)

Wasn't Susie South Asian?

I've just looked her up, and she is indeed half Indian. This came as a surprise to me. At least that's one character! Yeah, I'd forgotten there was a guest star doctor in another episode.

also, it's extremely hard to find Middle Easterns who aren't playing terrorists or dead bodies in Western TV.

That is absolutely true. Even the wonderful Sayid from Lost has some pretty stereotypical aspects to his character.

There is an incredible lack of South Asian representation in Doctor Who/Torchwood, though. I can't think of a single Indian/Pakistani/Bangledeshi character in the Whoverse

Rani Chandra, the 'tween female lead on "The Sarah Jane Adventures," and her family.

Pair them up before we have to go back to marrying off white girls to black men!

Isn't "we have to" a bit of a stretch? No one paired Donna up with black men other than RTD and his folks unless there's meta that I'm missing.

I think it's a similar reason to why we saw Jack paired up with a familiar face and not a new one--meta indulgence to RTD's departure.

Even the wonderful Sayid from Lost has some pretty stereotypical aspects to his character.

That's an understatement. Once you get past the colour-blind casting that put an Indian guy in an Iraqi role, even.

Isn't "we have to" a bit of a stretch? No one paired Donna up with black men other than RTD and his folks unless there's meta that I'm missing.

I agree with ita. In a lot of ways, it feels like they were paired up not because of their race, but because they were the ones who ended up kind-of action-hero-ish. Of course, we're all reading into a tiny blip of a story that may or may not ever get told, and in a lot of ways, it's terribly unfair to a franchise that's been remarkably progressive with both non-heterosexual characters and characters of color.

Divorced from the gravity of the unexplored repercussions of CoE, I'm squeefully glad we got to see Captain Jack! I miss him, broken bastard that he is.