Ah. Good good, then!
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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I'm, ahem, receiving it now.
::fingers drumming on keyboard::
Exciting!
Dr. Who EoT: Holy Cow!
Did.Not.See.That.Coming.
At the risk of being taunty/curmudgeony...it felt like the first 3/4 if the ep was a very long build up to the last big reveal. So much more story could have been told.
Still. Who gets a big ol' pass from me, no matter what.
Dr. Who EoT: Holy Cow!
No kidding. Total OMGWTFBBQ! Casting!!!!!!!!!! eleventy!!1!
I know!
This ep has me on even more anxious tenterhooks for 10's finale than I imagined possible. Ohmyeverloving. This is going to be inTENSE.
I just saw it has two parts, one to be broadcast next week.
I don't know if to ahem one part and watch it now, or to ahem them both later and watch together.
Also, when the Tennant-Hamelt will be on on the TV?
Tennant's Hamlet is being shown on the BBC in the UK this evening. I expect it will be up for aheming tonight.
Re: 'End of Time': I wasn't impressed. It felt like a big mess. I did not need nearly that many scenes showing the Master eating everything. The Girl harumphed "X-Men!" everytime he started flying around, and I tend to agree - too many influences, from Harry Potter (the Master has horcruxes, apparently) to Heroes. Mainly I was confused and annoyed. Apart from the scenes with Wilf and Donna in, which were awesome - the scene between the Doctor and Wilf in the cafe, where he said he thought he was really going to die, was amazing. I hated mostly everything Master-related, though, which made me sad because John Simm was fantastic last time. Here's hoping he redeems himself in true evil-genius-mode in the New Year's Day episode.
Speculation: Wilf. Time Lord? And is the woman he was talking to possibly Romana? That would be fun. Time Lords! I whooped very loudly at that ending. But, oh, RTD - screw up the explanation of how the Time Lords are back, and an entire fandom will cry. So get it right.
While walking the dog this morning, I had Seska's thoughts.
Very much, "Hey! The only thing I really liked was the preview of the next episode." Good on them for leaving me wanting more, but an entire episode of buildup seems like a lot of wasted real estate.
And Seska, your speculation about Wilf being a time lord, or at least time lord adjacent occurred to me too. It will be interesting to see if we are right.
I'm wondering about the metaphor of consumption. "Master eats world" is sort of interesting, but I hope it doesn't turn into one of those errant child needing to be put in his place by the wiser overseers storylines that we've seen in pretty much every other scifi show. The Master deserves better treatment than, say, Dom DeLuise on SG-1. Or Buffy's demony roomie.
EoT: I have no idea what the two of you are talking about.
I loved, loved, loved it. Well, most of it. Or just possibly large chunks of it. But may I just begin by saying, "yay! New Doctor!"? Because oh, how the hole in my heart was filled with Tennant joy, you don't know.
Best comedy moment of the ep: "Oh my Lord! She's a cactus!" made me holler in front of the TV, and wake up the dog. Donna, poor Donna. When I said earlier that I loved most parts of the ep, I mostly meant the Doctor's plot. I liked Micky better than I like Wilf, so that sums it up (not that I don't like Wilf - it's just, I don't think he deserves that much of screen time).
Next. The Doctor and The Master should Get A Room as in Now. The tension was killing me.
The Doctor and Wilf in a pub was heartbreaking. It's the first time we see Ten crack like this, right? I really felt OK with him dying, because he really, really suffers. Unlike Serenity, where I wished Joss to kill Inara instead of Wash just to see Mal suffer a little bit more, to see what he'll do.
Stuff I didn't get: Cactuses' plot, what the hell that technology was, how stupid were the people who built it, what's going on with Donna now. Stuff I hope I didn't get right: if the whole story is told from the Time Lords point of view, that means the Doctor has lost. Also, WTF, Time Lords? NOW they're coming? Don't they know what "timing" means? Back to Stuff I didn't get: again, the story is told from the Time Lords PoV. But RTD wouldn't kill all of the human race. Plus, there's still Donna and Wilf, so technically, the human race isn't dead.
I also loved how, or at least it was my feeling, that the show went above and beyond deliver the plot, etc. to the viewers as is. I felt as it talks directly to me, and mostly not as a "subtext rapidly becoming text", but in a good way. They indeed won my heart. I can't wait for next week. And I will kill them all with my bear hands if I'll have to complete 24 seasons of DW to understand it.
Seska, I agree with The Girl about the X-man factor. But hey, blondie bear Master is a hottie. Crazy, insane, starving, but a hottie.
Shir, I'm not arguing the
Tennant love aspect of your review. Not in the least. But the plot wasn't all that plotty...as in moving a story forward. What did we really learn? The Master came back wrong. He's cute but the cheese has slipped off his cracker. There is something special about Wilf. But we knew that already. And now, a bigger bad is on the way. Also not new.
As for whether or not we've seen 10 broken like that. Oh yeah, we have. Several times.
In re: the cactus people. I felt their naivete was appropriately depicted to make minor sense of their ever so convenient contribution to the Master's plan. The device was explained to be sufficiently altruistic and medically useful to justify its existence.
Plus, without a bit of much needed comic relief, the whole thing would have been way too grim.