Actually, he's asleep on a long journey to Mars...
And maybe the mysteriously opening pits are because Superboy Prime keeps punching holes in reality.
You know what they say about payback? Well I'm the bitch.
Fred ,'Life of the Party'
Boxed Set, Vol. V: Just a Hint of Denial and a Dash of Retcon
A topic for the discussion of Doctor Who, Arrow, and The Flash. Beware possible invasions of iZombie, Sleepy Hollow, or pretty much any other "genre" (read: sci fi, superhero, or fantasy) show that captures our fancy. Expect adult content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.
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Typo Boy - Nov 17, 2009 7:21:30 am PST #10898 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Shir - Nov 17, 2009 10:43:26 am PST #10899 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
Doctor Who:
1. My dog's name for the next few days will be Doctor Timelord Victorious. Seriously, I was hopping up and down in the room for about 5 minutes, explaining the friend I watched with the reasoning beyond the Roman names and how awesome that he took it. If I could, I'd make people call me that.
2. I think he was quiet insane from the beginning of the ep. For me, something didn't really click there well, from the beginning. It wasn't the Doctor I know nor loved. There was something else in him, and it wasn't the lack of companion. It was beyond it.
3. On a second thought, it was better than the death-wish in disguise of craziness: it was the real thing. But it's not very much like the Doctor to forget that people can, and will, surprise you. That's what make us people.
4. "He will knock 4 times": I read a brilliant theory that all is in the baseline of the theme of the New Doctor. Will translate it tomorrow, it's in Hebrew. It's retcon, but it's a retcon of awesomeness.
5. Until the last 20-25 minutes of the ep, I was almost bored, disappointed. Then, fascinated, electrified, hopeful, fearing. My Doctor. The Doctor.
Polter-Cow - Nov 17, 2009 10:46:20 am PST #10900 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Shir, hop up and down for me and explain the thing you're talking about!
Shir - Nov 17, 2009 10:50:46 am PST #10901 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
§ ita § - Nov 17, 2009 10:54:10 am PST #10902 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
The Doctor was almost like Nine in his coldness in The Waters of Mars. I wasn't bored throughout the beginning, because I liked the design of the monsters--they were Empty Child reminiscent for me, plus I liked seeing the Doctor's awe of Adelaide. But I was quite taken aback when he had his little episode and decided time was his puppet.
I'm still not sure how they reconciled finding the three survivors on Earth--doesn't finding Adelaide there undermine her inspirational effect on her lineage? Couldn't he have taken them to another planet or another time and started them again?
Polter-Cow - Nov 17, 2009 10:56:02 am PST #10903 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
That's what I expected him to do, ita. It seemed the most reasonable solution. And I also don't understand how Adelaide's suicide is supposed to be inspirational. If the other two told the WHOLE story, including the role of the Doctor, did they also tell the whole world its future, FlashForward-style?
Dana - Nov 17, 2009 10:57:01 am PST #10904 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
ita, I think he could have, but he wasn't going to. He was going to bring them home and reunite them with their families, or else. Bit of tunnel vision going on there.
Shir - Nov 17, 2009 11:01:13 am PST #10905 of 30001
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".
Dana,
>Bit of tunnel vision going on there.
You see, that's the Doctor I know and love. Brilliant, yet, tunnel-visiony.
Also. Am I the only one who shouted at the screen, when he felt all victorious, "Donna! Rose! Donna! Rose!"?
§ ita § - Nov 17, 2009 11:33:04 am PST #10906 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Dana, that makes sense, in a typically flawed sort of a way. What Hiro did (or didn't do) on Heroes this week to Mohinder reminded me of that.
I'm nervous about the next installment, from the trailer. It's Donna. Her poor brain. Never mind The Master. I read an interview about how he's going to play that, and I'm just plain looking forward to it.
Kate P. - Nov 17, 2009 4:59:30 pm PST #10907 of 30001
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
Waters of Mars: OK, first of all, yay new Doctor Who! On to the spoilers: I LOVED Captain Adelaide Brooke, and was really hoping she'd stick around for a while -- seemed unlikely she'd be a companion, but maybe a nemesis of sorts? But, of course, I get why she did what she did in the end. (Was anyone else thinking, "Dude, go get her body and hide it somewhere so it'll still look like she died on Mars!" But then he would have had to go track down the other two who ran off and dispose of them too, and that REALLY would have gone way too far, even for Ultimate Time Lord!Doctor.)
ita, I hadn't thought of it this way, but I think you're right that we haven't seen the Doctor be this cold, at least to humans, since Nine. Which makes me wonder how I would have reacted if it had been Nine instead of Ten on that crazy power trip. But somehow it makes more sense with Ten, who has always seemed a little more unhinged to me. Maybe it's just that I always trusted and believed Nine, no matter what, whereas Ten has never inspired the same loyalty in me (much as I love Tennant).
Anyway, I liked the themes of this one a lot, but watching the Doctor go mad with power was... uncomfortable, to say the least (and not necessarily in the way that was intended, I think). Also, wayyy too much Purposeful Voiceover of Remembrance for my taste. But on the other hand, flaming robots!