So there is something I can do, besides scream like a woman?

Wesley ,'Chosen'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kathy A - Feb 09, 2008 5:38:44 pm PST #8499 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I had a good day at the bookstore today. I had called in sick to both jobs on Thursday, so when I came in at 9:00 today, I got the feeling that they weren't too thrilled with me (even though I gave them about 8 hours notice). That changed pretty quickly when I starting selling membership cards.

For perspective, most other employees get 4-5 cards on a good 8-hour shift. I average 6-8, with my best ever day(s) the two times I sold 10. Today, I sold 14, a store record!

It's the little things that make me happy. I celebrated by picking up the last Deluxe Scrabble game on the half-off table ($17 for the turntable version).


Jesse - Feb 09, 2008 5:47:25 pm PST #8500 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I've heard a financial advisor say that it's stupid to keep money in a savings account earning miniscule interest when you have credit card debt earning a greater interest.

Yeah, that's an incredibly good point. I should get on that myself.


Pix - Feb 09, 2008 6:33:24 pm PST #8501 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I've heard a financial advisor say that it's stupid to keep money in a savings account earning miniscule interest when you have credit card debt earning a greater interest.
Yeah, it's taken me a year to finally come around to that viewpoint, but it was time. My goal is to get the other card paid off in two years. Stupid money.


DavidS - Feb 09, 2008 6:37:24 pm PST #8502 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My friend Gary, who was a big wheel financial advisor on Wall Street at one point, thinks that Savings accounts are an outmoded concept in today's easy credit markets.

He could explain it better than I, but he felt like standard economic advice about maintaining a safety reserve of savings was more of an appeal to the psyche, than made financial sense.


Pix - Feb 09, 2008 6:40:37 pm PST #8503 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

Ideally, I want no credit card debt and savings. Bit of a pipe dream right now, but there you go.


DavidS - Feb 09, 2008 6:59:32 pm PST #8504 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Ideally, I want no credit card debt and savings. Bit of a pipe dream right now, but there you go.

I'm really not anything like an authority on finances, but my gut feeling is that in an era of easy credit, savings is almost an outmoded concept. It feels right based on a work ethic, but I don't really think it's finessing the system that exists.

Leveraging debt is a big part of the financial services industry. People want to believe that their hard work creates real money that exists in a real sense, but the way finance actually works doesn't depend on that.

In short: having a good credit rating is more valuable than actual savings.


Pix - Feb 09, 2008 7:10:10 pm PST #8505 of 10001
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I have a great credit rating. I would still rather have cash on hand to pay for an emergency expense than charge it and have to pay interest for months trying to pay it off.


libkitty - Feb 09, 2008 7:24:36 pm PST #8506 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

You can have the best credit rating in the world, but if you lose your job and your furnace blows up, I'd think that savings could help keep you from falling deeper and deeper into a hole. Credit card debt has helped people not understand the dire financial situation that the were getting into the last few years (not all, but in general) and which many are finally starting to realize, as they use up their credit. And, there are some strong arguments that the debt of the country as a whole have significantly inhibited our willingness to stand up against injustice and for the best interests of our people (as opposed to corporations), both at home and abroad.

I think you and your friend have a good point, David, and I do use credit as well, but I think that there's real value to saving, and I think many, if not most, financial advisers would agree.


DavidS - Feb 09, 2008 7:27:28 pm PST #8507 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I would still rather have cash on hand to pay for an emergency expense than charge it and have to pay interest for months trying to pay it off.

Well, the notion is that all the time you've got money tied up in savings not earning significant interest costs you more than the interest on credit.


beth b - Feb 09, 2008 7:28:42 pm PST #8508 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

That's a hard concept for me to accept. Not the good credit rating - but that savings isn't important. I guess I'm assuming an extreme scenario here - but not an impossible one. assume zero debt except for house. Assume DH loses job. with what we have in savings we have a 3 months at current rate of spending. Add unemployment, willingness to take on cc debt, and a curtailing of spending means 6 to 7 months before we have to sell the house, dip into retirement or do anything that drastically effects retirement.

Of course, wealth in sense of big money isn't my real goal. More a comfortable retirement- that won't start until I'm 70.

ideally - 0 debt except for house . 6 month of saving - 1/2 in an easy to get to place - the other 1/2 in something like a ladder CD account. Use the equity in the house to do home improvements. Retirement - as long as the home improvements haven't outpaced the value of the house-has a whole bunch of options.