I don't care if it is an orgy of death, there's still such a thing as a napkin.

Willow ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Jan 31, 2008 6:35:29 am PST #6456 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I was overhearing 2 black people on my bus talking about Obama, and they were really hung up on his name. Not necessarily the Osama/Obama thing, but that it wasn't "a black man's name" so they weren't sure if they would vote for him.

The NYT had a depressing article yesterday with quotes from white men in TN who brought up Obama-Osama and thought he was a Muslim. (To make it clear, I personally would be happy with a moderate Muslim as president; these people were clearly in the "Muslims eat babies" demographic. Also Obama is not and has never been a Muslim, as I know you all know; he is an active churchgoer.)

I can't decide which I hate more, bigotry or ignorance.

Why are flat-out IGNANT people allowed to vote, damn it? I know, I know, land of freedom, long may the republic wave, democracy, one person one vote, 50 acres and a mule, blah blah blah.

But STILL. To not vote for Obama because his name doesn't sound like a "real black man's name"????? Great criterion, yo.

In some quarters there was just such an outrage that HRC failed to adhere to her traditional First Lady role that it set off years of demonizing her every move simply to justify the virulence of the reaction and make it something other than what it was.

The upshot is that to this day, there are tons of people in this country who simply aren't rational on the subject, in the sense that their perception of her postion on the political continum is quite at odds with reality. And I don't how that changes.

I think this is totally true. I have relatives who are RABID anti-Hillary, and when I ask them why, they just snort and say, "She's PUSHY!"

Uh....that's IT? THAT'S the reason you think she should be thrown in the gulag?


amych - Jan 31, 2008 6:37:12 am PST #6457 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Just a reminder, there are people I respect among us (Buffistas) who have voted for 3rd party candidates. I hope you respect them too.

Just to be clear -- I'm registered independent. I'm married to a libertarian. One of my guaranteed will-rant-for-hours triggers is the fact that NC makes it harder than any other state for other parties to get any representation at all... and I see a vast difference between voting for a 3rd party and cashing out because you don't want to bother with either one.


Cashmere - Jan 31, 2008 6:37:44 am PST #6458 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

In other funny news, my parents got my voicemail apologizing for my childhood wall drawings. They called me this morning laughing their asses off. My dad reminded me how we found my murals when they were pulling off the wallpaper of my childhood bedroom a few years back. He promised me I'd survive this phase.


Steph L. - Jan 31, 2008 6:38:15 am PST #6459 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

When she ran her last campaign for Senator, she picked up huge numbers in the more conservative areas upstate simply by showing up and being demonstrably non-Satanic. Once she was standing in front of people, they had a much harder time remembering what specifically she'd done to piss them off in the first place.

This makes me feel better. Seriously.


Steph L. - Jan 31, 2008 6:39:29 am PST #6460 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I just shared the "He doesn't have a real black man's name" story with my co-workers, and we suddenly realized -- why hasn't someone named "Jesus" run for office yet? It's TOTALLY time.


sumi - Jan 31, 2008 6:39:44 am PST #6461 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

That does make me feel better too.


amych - Jan 31, 2008 6:40:40 am PST #6462 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

why hasn't someone named "Jesus" run for office yet?

There would be emails saying that he was secretly Latino? Even if it weren't secret?


tommyrot - Jan 31, 2008 6:42:09 am PST #6463 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

What pisses me off (OK, one of many things that piss me off) is how gullible people can be. People say they won't vote for Obama because "I heard he was a Muslim." Because of those stupid emails circulating around. I guess it never occurs to these people that there are people out there who make shit up about politicians....


Steph L. - Jan 31, 2008 6:42:48 am PST #6464 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

why hasn't someone named "Jesus" run for office yet?

There would be emails saying that he was secretly Latino? Even if it weren't secret?

Sure, those are inevitable. But if there are people stupid enough to NOT vote for a candidate based on the candidate's name, surely their counterparts exist who WILL vote for a candidate based on his name. And what better name than "Jesus"?


Jesse - Jan 31, 2008 6:43:40 am PST #6465 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hillary definitely won over Upstate New York one person at a time, practically. But it did work!