Oh, yeah, baby, it's snakalicious in here.

Xander ,'Empty Places'


Natter 56: ...we need the writers.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Jan 16, 2008 10:51:29 am PST #3650 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

How can you sit across someone at a table who thinks a belief you hold so deeply is completely ridic? Wouldn't you be all, "why do I want to hang out with someone who thinks this thing that is so important to me is false?"

Well, I'm the only member of my birth family who believes in God (well, now that my mom is dead). And yet? Still loves them all. Then again, my belief in God is somewhat offset--at least in terms of cultural norms--by my deeply-held distrust of religion, so I probably don't come across as a believer to most people.


Burrell - Jan 16, 2008 10:51:31 am PST #3651 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Kat - Jan 16, 2008 10:51:48 am PST #3652 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

What's interesting about believing The Secret is that it takes something that seems defensible and easy to be believed a couple of clicks to a place that seems, from the outside, somewhat crazy.

I believe that wallowing doesn't really help a situation. For example, if I wallow in my current distaste for how I look, then it doesn't really help me at all with either changing the way I look or getting over it. So being constantly negative usually does not help situations (though with some people, the Power of Negative Thinking is it gets some people to instigate change).

But to take it to the Universe not recognizing the word No? Huh?


Kat - Jan 16, 2008 10:52:59 am PST #3653 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

The universe is nothing but a toddler!


Aims - Jan 16, 2008 10:53:24 am PST #3654 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

But to take it to the Universe not recognizing the word No? Huh?

That's where I disconnect with it too.


Jessica - Jan 16, 2008 10:53:36 am PST #3655 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

One thing with the Secret that's double-bizarre to me is that the wording is really important, because The Universe doesn't understand the concept of "no," or some shit, so if you say "I want to be less fat!" all the universe understands is "I want to be fat!" So you have to be really careful to only say "I want to be thin!" If that's your goal.

Well I guess that explains all the poor and starving people in the world. If only they'd remembered to think "I wish I had a sandwich" instead of "I wish I wasn't so cold and hungry!"


amych - Jan 16, 2008 10:55:15 am PST #3656 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

But to take it to the Universe not recognizing the word No?

I first ran into this exact same theory in someone who was promoting the use of telepathic communication in dog training. Maybe the universe is just a dog who doesn't understand "stay off the dining room table"?


JZ - Jan 16, 2008 10:55:22 am PST #3657 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

java, one or both or all of us should be around for most of the weekend. When were you thinking of? Want to hang out a bit or go get some coffee or just take Matilda out for a walk as well, or just do you just have time for a grab-n-go?

My beliefs about people who don't believe are definitely heavily Narnia-influenced, with a touch of a very enlightened nun who taught my mom years and years ago and played a central role in shaping her own faith. I guess I believe in the importance of faith less through what you say than through what you do -- it doesn't matter what you profess to believe or not believe, who you are and what's really in your heart are shown through your actions, the way you live, how you connect to the people in your life and the larger world around you (in which case, I know a lot of agnostics and atheists who are much, much more "right with God" than a lot of openly professing religious people, often including myself).

And there's a good dash of Aslan reminding the kids over and over again that "No one is ever told any story but his own," i.e., what's between someone else and God (or, bless Nilly, what's on God's scorecard) is completely and utterly none of my business.


Jesse - Jan 16, 2008 10:55:48 am PST #3658 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well I guess that explains all the poor and starving people in the world. If only they'd remembered to think "I wish I had a sandwich" instead of "I wish I wasn't so cold and hungry!"

Exactly!

Actually, I think you can get in trouble with wishing, too. Ideally, you sit around thinking, "I am full and warm," and hey presto, you are. Or something.


Atropa - Jan 16, 2008 10:57:11 am PST #3659 of 10001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

But to take it to the Universe not recognizing the word No? Huh?

Yeah, that's one of the things that bugs me about The Secret. Of course, the other thing that bugs me about it is that (from what I understand, at least), The Secret doesn't say anything about then going forth and WORKING toward what you're trying to attract to your life. In my world, positive thinking and wishes are very important, but absolutely have to be paired with actual effort on my part. Just wishing for something isn't good enough.