Susan, your take on Obama is much like mine. His stand on political issues is as close to Clinton's and Edwards' as makes no difference, and I think he's established himself as an intelligent and capable candidate in a tangible sense. It's the intangible hope-filled quality that makes me choose him—I think he'd be better at inspiring Americans to be better people than the other two, in marked counterpoint to how our current C in C has set a tone of willful ignorance, belligerence, and self-absorption.
Don't kill anyone if you don't have to. We're here to make a deal.
Mal ,'Serenity'
Natter 56: ...we need the writers.
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 06, 2008 1:26:40 pm PST #1190 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Laura - Jan 06, 2008 1:33:37 pm PST #1191 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
I do admit that I can be quite reactionary when it comes to women belittling men.
As am I. Ya know, some of my best friends are men! Seriously, I haven't seen that side of her. It might be that she remains on top of my list because my brother would hate her winning every bit as much as I hated GWB notwinning the last couple rounds.
I haven't noticed a sexist side to her. It would seem that she couldn't have thrived very well in her career if that were the case. I deal with mostly men in my career and I know it would be impossible to succeed if I didn't respect them.
Jessica - Jan 06, 2008 1:46:29 pm PST #1192 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset
Huh. That comment pings me in the exact opposite direction - it sounds like the same old misogynist bullshit that's for some reason acceptable when it's about Hillary Clinton. ("I don't hate strong women! Just women like Hillary Clinton. And my wife agrees! I totally have a wife, which proves I'm not a chauvinist asshat!")
Sorry. Issues.
P.M. Marc - Jan 06, 2008 1:51:34 pm PST #1193 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Huh. That comment pings me in the exact opposite direction - it sounds like the same old misogynist bullshit that's for some reason acceptable when it's about Hillary Clinton. ("I don't hate strong women! Just women like Hillary Clinton. And my wife agrees! I totally have a wife, which proves I'm not a chauvinist asshat!")
Yeah, me too.
Laga - Jan 06, 2008 1:52:36 pm PST #1194 of 10001
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
issues or no, that's a very good point, Jessica. There's so little context in the comment that it could be taken either way. It's my own assumptions that made me assume "the look" in question was the "oh my poor dumb honey look" and that a "look" existed at all.
Laura - Jan 06, 2008 1:53:58 pm PST #1195 of 10001
Our wings are not tired.
I totally have a wife, which proves I'm not a chauvinist asshat!
Hee. It is a good thing I have this place to discuss political matters because some of the comments I see out there in the other world are quite crazy making. It hasn't been too bad locally yet, but I expect that to change after New Hampshire when we are the next big thing.
aurelia - Jan 06, 2008 2:01:58 pm PST #1196 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
It's the intangible hope-filled quality that makes me choose him
Yep. If I didn't believe that he's the real deal it wouldn't matter, but he inspires a hope that I haven't felt since Bill Clinton's inauguration speech.
My biggest concern about Hillary is that she wouldn't be able to accomplish anything due to all the irrational Repub hatred (of her) that is out there.
I skipped the 1st half of the debate last night. Were the Republicans on a first name basis the way the Democrats were?
Steph L. - Jan 06, 2008 2:30:16 pm PST #1197 of 10001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Huh. That comment pings me in the exact opposite direction - it sounds like the same old misogynist bullshit that's for some reason acceptable when it's about Hillary Clinton. ("I don't hate strong women! Just women like Hillary Clinton. And my wife agrees! I totally have a wife, which proves I'm not a chauvinist asshat!")
Yeah, me too.
Me three. (But I doubt it surprises anyone that I agree with Jess and Plei.)
tommyrot - Jan 06, 2008 2:49:53 pm PST #1198 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Big Wikipedia list: List of common misconceptions
Most of these I knew. Lots of historical and sciency stuff....
DavidS - Jan 06, 2008 2:50:48 pm PST #1199 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I don't really care that Obama is the most charismatic. I want somebody that can hit the ground running. Somebody with proven competence. Obama hasn't done anything. He hasn't shown he'll be able to manuever in Congress, or exhibit statecraft. Zip. He's a freshman Senator. Being smart isn't enough. I don't want somebody learning on the job in the White House. How about we vote him for Prom King instead?
I've been disappointed in Hilary for a while. She's way less savvy than Bill, but has the same baggage and is sometimes too expedient. And I don't like her on Iraq.
I know at the very least that Edwards is accomplished. He knows more than how to campaign.