Ugh. Here lies my rationale for doing what I do rather than working in the corporate world. It just makes no sense to me.

The corporate world makes no sense to anybody. The Joker would look at corporate life and say "Wow, see, that's crazy."

It's a push-me-pull-you thing. Companies want the customers, or at least the customers' money, but they don't want to give them anything. Corporations only begrudgingly give the stuff they want to sell. In a perfect corporate world, people would just line up to hand executives cash without taking anything away, and the workers would slave away for nothing.

So they try to attract customers by saying "Our product is the bee's knees and, furthermore, if it's not the bee's knees our talented, dedicated, happy-to-serve-you Customer Service staff will bee-kneeify it for you!" But when it comes time to bee-kneeify it, the CS rep who takes your call is probably under-trained, frustrated and has no incentive whatsoever to give forth with knees for any insect, flying or otherwise. And even if they did desire to kneeify your bee, they probably aren't allowed to...that would cost honey. I mean, money.

So they try to trick not only the customer, but the CS rep: "What you do is worthwhile. But we don't respect you enough to give you any solid reward or encouragement for doing it particularly well. Also, any attempt to give actual help will be frowned upon and you may be sanctioned. Now let them hear the smile in your voice when you pick up the phone or we will fire you and you will starve and die. And say 'Have a nice day' they like that."

Suzi, what time on Friday?

Not sure exactly. We are going to have Persian food, (right near a BART station) and then head over. It will be afterwork-ish, likely 6 or 7 for dinner.

Marvel Jem, to be precise. Parents aren't comics fans.

That’s truly outrageous, then.

But 99 times out of 100 that never occurs to a customer to do.

Yes, that’s true. I am the 1. I think that if I am going to jack you up for being rude to me or particularly unhelpful, then I have to compliment you when you do an outstanding job.

I am ALWAYS polite to CS reps, even when I am livid, for two reasons: 1-you catch more flies with honey. 2- if you are rude, it gives them an excuse not to help you. If you are nothing but polite and accommodating to reasonable requests, they have no excuse.

So they try to attract customers by saying "Our product is the bee's knees and, furthermore, if it's not the bee's knees our talented, dedicated, happy-to-serve-you Customer Service staff will bee-kneeify it for you!" But when it comes time to bee-kneeify it, the CS rep who takes your call is probably under-trained, frustrated and has no incentive whatsoever to give forth with knees for any insect, flying or otherwise. And even if they did desire to kneeify your bee, they probably aren't allowed to...that would cost honey. I mean, money.

This is my new favorite phraseology ever and I'd say so even if you weren't my husband, but some guy who lived with me.

I am the 1. I think that if I am going to jack you up for being rude to me or particularly unhelpful, then I have to compliment you when you do an outstanding job.

That's my sister. Going anywhere with her is a risky proposition, since I may have to defuse her bombs, but she's also the type that will fill out customer appreciation cards and buy food and a card for a nice and effective nurse.

2- if you are rude, it gives them an excuse not to help you. If you are nothing but polite and accommodating to reasonable requests, they have no excuse.

This is absolutely right. Furthermore, being polite and civil will make us want to help you.

I dealt with it...and still deal with it...all the time. If you have a legitimate gripe and are courteous, you can be as insistent as you want, make the call as long as you want...I'll do my damnedest to help you and will even sympathize.

But you turn rude...or worse, start off rude...chances are I will do absolutely nothing. Just ride out the call until you get tired or frustrated enough to hang up. Yea me. I win. You? Don't.

Witness yesterday's post. A woman just wanted to rant at me. She was indescribably rude (but smart enough not to cross the line that would let me hang up on her.) So while she yammered, I applied for another job online. I was no help whatsoever. I would feel bad, but a) Fuck her. and b) I actually couldn't help her anyway. It was about something nobody here has any control over.

If she'd been nice about it, well...like I said, I couldn't actually help her, but we'd at least have both come away with a more positive experience.

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MM, have you seen the documentary "The Corporation"? It posits (only slightly tongue-in-cheek) that corporations display all the traits of sociopaths.

Aimee, your new hair looks great.

So...I wonder what would happen if someone started a customer service company that really did want to and try to deliver customer service?

Here's what I think (but I may be delusional): 1. They would have to be an independent company that other companies could outsource the work to. But unlike now*, the CS reps would have to be totally knowledgeable about the product. The CS company would therefore want to specialize at first, and then have separate branches for different areas of expertise.

• referring to outsourced call centers

2. They would have to focus on employee satisfaction, and on getting an retaining motivated, competent people who are okay with sitting at a phone or computer talking to jackholes all day.

1 + 2 =

3. They would have to have a huge amount of initial capital.

4. They would attract the good CS reps from the suck companies, so they'd be competitive really fast. Their business would grow really fast, and they'd be able to charge the companies using them a lot.

5. They'd need to continuously fold a lot of that money back into training and employee morale, so profits wouldn't be tremendous (at first).

6. Once the jackholes starting having positive CS experiences, a lot of them would quit being jackholes. Some of them wouldn't, but a strong, profitable company could turn those people away. "I'm sorry, sir, but our reps' time and expertise are too valuable to allow them to be subjected to that kind of abuse." (hang up) (block Caller ID for 24 hours).

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Sorry. I've been telling people how to run their lives all morning. It's kind of hard to stop.

and I confess that if I ever had kids they'd likely get called things like India or Serendipity or Shazam.

One of Mal's friends is named India. It's a lovely name. Of course, their family cat is named China, so sometimes it gets confusing.

I wanted to name a daughter Avalon or Nairobi, but was overruled on both.