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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Dec 07, 2007 6:02:57 am PST #6119 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So this creationist biologist was fired because he didn't believe in evolution. Now he's suing.

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Abraham, who is seeking $500,000 in compensation for a violation of his civil rights, says in the suit that he lost his job as a postdoctoral researcher in a biology lab shortly after he told his superior that he did not accept evolution as scientific fact.

"Woods Hole believes they have the right to insist on a belief in evolution," said David C. Gibbs III, one of Abraham's two attorneys and general counsel of the Christian Law Association in Seminole, Fla.

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In a 2004 letter to Abraham, his boss, Woods Hole senior scien tist Mark E. Hahn, wrote that Abraham said he did not want to work on "evolutionary aspects" of the National Institutes of Health grant for which he was hired, even though the project clearly required scientists to use the principles of evolution in their analyses and writing.

I like this part:

Eugenie C. Scott, executive director for the National Center for Science Education, which defends the teaching of evolution in public schools, said Abraham was clearly being disingenuous when he applied for the job because he was hired to work in the field of developmental biology.

"It is inconceivable that someone working in developmental biology at a major research institution would not be expected to deal intimately with evolution," she said. "A flight school hiring instructors wouldn't ask whether they accepted that the earth was spherical; they would assume it. Similarly, Woods Hole would have assumed that someone hired to work in developmental biology would accept that evolution occurred. It's part and parcel of the science these days."


Dana - Dec 07, 2007 6:05:45 am PST #6120 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

"Woods Hole believes they have the right to insist on a belief in evolution"

Wow, insisting on science? For a scientific position? Crazy talk!


Trudy Booth - Dec 07, 2007 6:08:40 am PST #6121 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

What's the difference between anchovies and sardines?

sardines are tiny little cured things

I actually had fun in wikipedia last night on this very topic. I even found out what kippers are!


flea - Dec 07, 2007 6:11:59 am PST #6122 of 10001
information libertarian

mr. flea has a coworker in grad school - actually she defended her PhD and now has a university teaching job - who doesn't believe in evolution due to her religious background. mr. flea and his colleague are both environmental engineers, and the coworker's dissertation was specifically about genetic algorithms - mathematical equations THAT MIMIC EVOLUTION as they iterate towards finding a solution to the problem. I never was rude enough to ask her how she held these two ideas in her head at the same time (maybe she just has a very partitioned brain).


Jars - Dec 07, 2007 6:12:10 am PST #6123 of 10001

I even found out what kippers are!

The all-time greatest breakfast food EVAR?

ETA - I've yet to meet a Creationist archaeologist, but I've heard they exist. Like yer man, I think they'd get fired pretty quick though.


Tom Scola - Dec 07, 2007 6:13:52 am PST #6124 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Hindu gods get summons from court

A judge in India has summoned two Hindu gods, Ram and Hanuman, to help resolve a property dispute.


Trudy Booth - Dec 07, 2007 6:15:04 am PST #6125 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The all-time greatest breakfast food EVAR?

I could not find out how one EATS them for breakfast, however.

Do you heat them up? Put them on toast? With scrambled eggs? Are they just the fish alternative to bacon or sausage or do they have some special presentation?


bon bon - Dec 07, 2007 6:15:24 am PST #6126 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

BTW, you anchovy haters are crazy; they're no grosser than bacon. And DELICIOUS whole. Also, I sympathize with you broccoli haters, but you would not believe how almost creamy this broccoli turned out. I microwaved frozen bits, then cooked it over slow heat with garlic and anchovy that had been browned in oil for about fifteen minutes. I don't know how that made it so delicious -- maybe it's the oil and garlic-- but DAYUM it was so much better than I expected.


Lee - Dec 07, 2007 6:15:28 am PST #6127 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I like broccoli, but I'm allergic enough to it that I don't eat much.


amych - Dec 07, 2007 6:16:12 am PST #6128 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I know a creationist with an MS in Biology, but no PhD's. This one pretty much did it by just deciding to ignore the parts he didn't like, which gives me no great confidence in his department (nor in his honesty).