Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 55: It's the 55th Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Strega - Nov 20, 2007 1:27:42 pm PST #3346 of 10001

To a Briton pointing out that something is nonsense, rubbish, tosh or logically impossible in its own terms is not an attack on the person saying it – it’s often no more than a salvo in what one hopes might become an enjoyable intellectual tussle.

I think in the U.S. there's a more emphasis on the idea that one should avoid causing offense by even stating one's own beliefs, much less criticizing someone else's. And there are reasons for that; this is a much more diverse society. My sense is that the UK is tilted more toward the "if you take offense, that's your problem." Not that it's impossible to offend a Brit, but it does seem to require a little more effort. Or Chris Morris.


Jesse - Nov 20, 2007 1:38:40 pm PST #3347 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Unfortunately, saying "eat a muffin whitey" to one's cow-workers is somewhat embarrassing.

Don't I know it!


Scrappy - Nov 20, 2007 1:38:55 pm PST #3348 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think the UK is more tilted to "You are not your ideas." So if a person tells you a particular idea is stupid, it doesn't mean YOU'RE stupid. I got the impression Fry was talking about a dinner party where we might not know everyone well (or at all), not among close friends or family. I do think arguing with someone's ideas is seen as bad manners in this country and not proper chitchat.

In America, on the other hand, asking someone what they do for a living is idle chatter, but in Europe or Britain is often never brought up among people who are just meeting.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2007 1:45:46 pm PST #3349 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Try being non-white and using that muffin exhortation.

Some people are so touchy.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 20, 2007 1:48:35 pm PST #3350 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Try being non-white and using that muffin exhortation.

See, I feel weird saying "eat a muffin whitey" to a black person....


Jesse - Nov 20, 2007 1:51:45 pm PST #3351 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

"Eat a muffin, whitey" transcends race!


Sue - Nov 20, 2007 1:56:44 pm PST #3352 of 10001
hip deep in pie

"Eat a muffin, whitey" transcends race!

It does! I had a total "eat muffin whitey" moment a couple of weeks ago, But instead of saying to the woman who was whining that the deli was out of blueberry bagels, I just burst out laughing for no reason and looked crazy.


§ ita § - Nov 20, 2007 1:58:31 pm PST #3353 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

As a non-white, I submit y'all want a cupcake and not even a muffin. If it scales up to a cake, it's cheating to call it a muffin.


tommyrot - Nov 20, 2007 2:10:21 pm PST #3354 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Huh. Where I grew up the population density is 72.9 people per square mile and the population is 97% white. Where I live now it's 31,860.3/mi², 42.6% white.


flea - Nov 20, 2007 2:14:18 pm PST #3355 of 10001
information libertarian

I was looking at census.gov (which is where that site pulls the data from) and discovered that the pocket suburb of Cincinnati where my father lives is whiter (96.9% white) than the small town in rural Maine I lived in as a small child (95.9% white). I found this very depressing.