Dawn: Is that supposed to scare me? Spike: Little tremble wouldn't hurt.

'The Killer In Me'


Natter 55: It's the 55th Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 15, 2007 7:54:40 am PST #2434 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But could, say, a Christian or Muslim be elected to public office in Israel? Has one?

I think it's more likely for an avowed atheist/agnostic.

Which is more flexible than the US, which seems to be all about one sort of one religion. It seems ironic, but I guess that Israel having more of a sense of ethnic unity than many other countries out there juggles their priorities some.


amych - Nov 15, 2007 7:54:40 am PST #2435 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

But could, say, a Christian or Muslim be elected to public office in Israel? Has one?

Past and present Arab members of the Knesset: [link]


Typo Boy - Nov 15, 2007 7:56:17 am PST #2436 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Yeah but Rudy really really hates liberals. A lot. And that seems to be the core religion of a lot of Christians. (I don't say "so-called Christians" because as a non-Christian, I don't feel qualified to judge who is and is not a Christian.)


Sue - Nov 15, 2007 7:56:29 am PST #2437 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Happy Birthday Sumi.

I just had lunch after about an hour and half of being totally hangry and ready to kill anyone who looked at me. I still feel a little testy. I think I have a hangryover


P.M. Marc - Nov 15, 2007 7:57:34 am PST #2438 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Gar, I'd say "self-proclaimed holier-than-though Christians" in that case.

It disambiguates.


Jesse - Nov 15, 2007 7:58:29 am PST #2439 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Or "a certain kind of Christian Conservatives."


Gudanov - Nov 15, 2007 7:58:51 am PST #2440 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

So the people who think that a Jewish person shouldn't be president because of their Jewishness are people we should care about and listen to rather than say, telling them, "Y'all are nuts!"

I think it is more the attitude of "I'm going to vote for someone who shares my values" rather than "I'm not going to vote for a Jew". Maybe it boils down to the same thing, but the first one sounds more reasonable. I think the crazy part is the assumption of a direct correlation between religious affiliation and values.


Jessica - Nov 15, 2007 8:00:07 am PST #2441 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Yeah but Rudy really really hates liberals.

Technically, he hates black people. And Hillary.

I do wonder how much of the GOP base is more than dimly aware that Rudy Guliani did not spring fully formed from the head of the Statue of Liberty on September 12, 2001.


Vortex - Nov 15, 2007 8:01:49 am PST #2442 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

It's sad that Rudy just being competent after a disaster is getting his this much cred. I mean, did he do anything other than not fuck up? (Ray Nagin, I'm looking at you)


Frankenbuddha - Nov 15, 2007 8:04:16 am PST #2443 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

It's sad that Rudy just being competent after a disaster is getting his this much cred. I mean, did he do anything other than not fuck up?

There's been some debate over how competent he really was (and that some of his policies prior to 9-11 made things worse that day). He projected competence and reassurance certainly, but I think he may have started his spin after Bush tanked it so badly in the aftermath.