Whoot! Way to wow them, JZ.

JZ that's fantastic news!

I found out that one of my co workers (in another division) has a book out, he's a former Coast Guard rescue swimmer and his book is Brotherhood of the Fin is about his career and it includes his experiences in New Orleans. [link]

Ok, woman. Brilliant, you are not.

Woman: "Well, we should be boarding in about 10 minutes."

Traveling Partner: "The plane isn't here yet."

INVISIBLE PLANE!

That must be it!

Damn! Maybe she is psychic. The plane just showed up.

Hopefully they take more than 10 minutes to clean it before the next flight...

ION, The big Mall of America Electronics recycling free-for-all has halted 19 hours in.

86 trucks were filled.

They barely got into the second day of the three day event when they ran out of room.

{{{Aimee}}}

Woohoo, JZ!

~ma to Kristin.

You know that writers' loop with the oh-so-superior Englishwoman from Wednesday? I successfully resisted the urge to reply that time, but I just succumbed to temptation on a new issue. Different person this time. Someone had brought up that thread in historical fiction where women disguise themselves as men to fight in the army or navy. A poster said that was overdone. I replied that overdone was in the eye of the beholder, because I adore that kind of story.

Her reply? Among other things, that "adore" seemed like a terribly gushy term, and that to her that type of story is generally annoying and at best silly.

Condescending bitch.

But I didn't say that. I said that as a writer I wasn't ashamed to adore stories, and that I hoped once I was published readers adored my books. I also said that there were publishing trends whose reader appeal left me baffled, including some I knew that were popular with many on the list, but that I didn't go around calling them annoying and silly because I didn't like to insult other people's tastes.

Sigh. I really had high hopes for this group as something that would offer support and feedback for the type of book I'm writing now. Now I'm thinking I should hit unsubscribe before I actually do call someone on the list a condescending bitch.

to her that type of story is generally annoying and at best silly.

While it's certainly far more prevalent as a literary trope than it has ever been as an actual phenomenon, the fact remains that throughout the ages this has happened. Not frequently, no, but it's not some cracktastic invention. There's plenty of documentation. We're not talking MPreg here.

Brava, though, with the courteous response. It has to be said that the list doesn't sound like the most positive of environments - what are the good points about it?

Well, the rest of her post said her issue is that she thinks it feeds into the idea that it's better to be a boy--that all girls must deep down fantasize about living a boy's life. And the rest of my reply was that in my upbringing in a deeply conservative, traditional area, I'd grown up with pressure to be hyper-feminine, and that was never a comfortable fit for me, because I always loved things girls weren't "supposed" to like sports, science, and even military history. (I was deeply into military history as a child, and then managed to suppress it from adolescence until a few years ago.) So I liked books where girls and women did things I was interested in.

It has to be said that the list doesn't sound like the most positive of environments - what are the good points about it?

The fact that it's devoted to historical fiction, mostly, and as such can offer advice and feedback in areas I can't necessarily get from a romance group. But the advice hasn't been as helpful as I'd hoped, largely because the regulars seem more interested in pedantry than telling good stories that readers will enjoy. (And when I find a group too pedantic, that's saying something!) Really, what I'd like to find is a good fantasy group, since even a non-magical alternate history like mine fits under that part of the publishing umbrella. SFWA doesn't accept unpublished members, but maybe I could find a good online group with a more open policy.