hmm... well, not under the current two party system. we couldn't get into that mess until we had a viable third.
Now, I can hold a note for a long time...actually I can hold a note forever. But eventually that's just noise. It's the change we're listening for. The note coming after, and the one after that. That's what makes it music.
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Trudy Booth - Oct 13, 2007 8:53:09 am PDT #6501 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Hil R. - Oct 13, 2007 8:59:28 am PDT #6502 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
hmm... well, not under the current two party system. we couldn't get into that mess until we had a viable third.
Well, Perot got 19% of the vote in 1992. It's not unreasonable that someone else could get a similar percentage in the future. Or, even in a closer election, if it's split something like 48/49/3, then the second choice of those three percent could be taken into account.
Trudy Booth - Oct 13, 2007 9:06:07 am PDT #6503 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart
Well, its never going to change... until a democrat loses the popular vote and takes the election.
tommyrot - Oct 13, 2007 9:07:18 am PDT #6504 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
until a democrat loses the popular vote and takes the election.
Heh.
Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2007 9:41:04 am PDT #6505 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
I don't like straight plurality, either. Way too much chance of several popular candidates splitting the vote. If I were in charge, we'd have some kind of preferential ballot system. Not sure which one, since there's no such thing as a perfect voting system, but just about all of the reasonable ones are preferable to straight plurality.
I agree with you. In legislatures I prefer some form of PR. In offices like the presidency where you are not a electing a multi-member body, I prefer any reasonable form of preference voting. I'd settle for instant run-off, though I can think of a number that would have fewer anomalies. As you say. there is no perfect way of aggregating preferences. This includes markets, by the way. Markets are more than a way of aggregating preferences; but that is one of the functions they perform. And Arrow's theorem applies just as much their preference aggregating function as it does to any other preference aggregating system.
Kat - Oct 13, 2007 9:54:44 am PDT #6506 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
I'm just sort of unclear about how I feel about the Greeting cards for incarceration, complete with "Sorry to hear about your arrest."
Hil R. - Oct 13, 2007 9:55:06 am PDT #6507 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
This includes markets, by the way. Markets are more than a way of aggregating preferences; but that is one of the functions they perform. And Arrow's theorem applies just as much their preference aggregating function as it does to any other preference aggregating system.
How? Arrow's theorem applies specifically to social welfare functions. It requires a restricted set of options and a single decision. I can see how the general idea of the theorem could apply to other things, but not the theorem itself.
-t - Oct 13, 2007 10:00:50 am PDT #6508 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
That's interesting, Kat. It's very much an "I don't know what to say" situation, so I can see the value of having cards, but it feels kind of off in a way that I can't put my finger on.
Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2007 10:11:53 am PDT #6509 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
But you can focus on the a single decisions within a market. For example: how many Ford Tauruses shall we make. You can "cut" a decision out of a market system and treat it as a form of preferential voting on that decision.
Hil R. - Oct 13, 2007 10:20:54 am PDT #6510 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
But who are the voters and what are the options in that scenario?