Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Oct 13, 2007 3:56:38 am PDT #6482 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Last night I was walking home, I saw a refrigerator that someone was throwing out. The freezer was one solid block of ice -- with a carton of Häagen Dazs sticking out of it.

Clearly a guy.


Sue - Oct 13, 2007 4:15:08 am PDT #6483 of 10001
hip deep in pie

I got a costco membership desptie being single and having no car. Because I got a thing in the mail that offered me a $25 gift card when I joined. I figured a $30 membership ($55 membership minus the $25 gift card.) was worth it for a year, even if I just buy kitty litter.

On my first trip, megan and I learned, never go to costco on Saturday.


Trudy Booth - Oct 13, 2007 4:22:14 am PDT #6484 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

That's a hard way to learn!


brenda m - Oct 13, 2007 4:36:33 am PDT #6485 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Gronk. Have so much to do before Ellen gets here. I was just so wrecked yesterday I couldn't do a thing.


Nutty - Oct 13, 2007 4:39:55 am PDT #6486 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I got a free Costco membership (for about 1/4 year) a while back, and although Flatmate-at-the-Time and I went, we were pretty restrained in what we bought. The funny part about wandering the store is recognizing that, although the sales are name-brands, and they're in really big bins, not all of the prices are cheaper per unit than they would be in the grocery store. (Some are, but a lot of them aren't.)

It takes a nerd to save at Costco. If you just buy the bulk without regard to per-unit price, then you're probably a family of 12, or somebody who really really wants to stay away from grocery stores.

In re FNL, I think it is not spoilery to say that fully 3/4 of the speaking cast that plays footballers is shorter than Coach Taylor. Who isn't itty bitty, but, IRL he is too small to play Div I football for sure. His players are smaller than him. He's easily got 3-4 inches (and probably 30-40 lb.) on Saracen, e.g.

I think smaller actors -- and certainly skinnier actors -- create a more effective impression of youth, so that meant they could cast a bunch of early-20s guys with experience rather than an actual highschool class. Unfortunately, I think The Rock could totally wipe the floor with the entire Dillon High football team, and that I would pay to watch that.

(I mean, inasmuch as I would pay to watch The Rock chew popcorn.)


Hil R. - Oct 13, 2007 4:55:31 am PDT #6487 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Sigh. Salon has an article [link] arguing against the electoral college. And while there are plenty of good arguments against the electoral college, "It gives disproportionate power to voters in small states" is not one of them. Mathematically, it doesn't work out that way. (Basically, North Dakota has more electoral votes per citizen than Florida does, but Florida's got a much bigger chance of deciding the national election, while in most elections, it's completely irrelevant which way North Dakota goes -- there are very very few elections decided by three electoral votes.)

(That's the traditional analysis. My issue with that analysis is that all the calculations are based on the assumption that Democratic and Republican voters are distributed evenly across the country. I'm almost certain that if you took into account percentages on how each state tends to vote, you'd end up that the voters with the most power are the ones in Florida and Pennsylvania and Ohio and other states like that -- states with relatively big populations that ALSO tend to have pretty close elections. I tried running some test numbers on that a few years ago, and it seemed to work out the way I expected, but I never really looked into it further.)


brenda m - Oct 13, 2007 4:58:08 am PDT #6488 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

brenda m - Oct 13, 2007 4:58:58 am PDT #6489 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

It's the primary calendar that fucks things up the most. The electoral college just adds to the distortion.


Sheryl - Oct 13, 2007 6:09:12 am PDT #6490 of 10001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Just sitting here in my pajamas, watching "Legion of Superheroes". Quiet day.


Typo Boy - Oct 13, 2007 6:36:59 am PDT #6491 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Basically, North Dakota has more electoral votes per citizen than Florida does, but Florida's got a much bigger chance of deciding the national election, while in most elections, it's completely irrelevant which way North Dakota goes -- there are very very few elections decided by three electoral votes.)

.....I'm almost certain that if you took into account percentages on how each state tends to vote, you'd end up that the voters with the most power are the ones in Florida and Pennsylvania and Ohio and other states like that -- states with relatively big populations that ALSO tend to have pretty close elections.

Umm two things. These arguments assume "counting" equals "your particular vote has the a mathematically greater probability of determining the winner". But the fact remains that Montana's voters are weighed more heavily per voter than New York cities in counting the votes. And if you are taking a game theoretic approach what you want is the highest probability, not of your vote being the determining one (very tiny probability: even in Florida 2000 changing ONE vote would not have changed the outcome). What you want is the best chance of your preferred candidate winning.

A system where (unlike the electoral college) the candidate with most votes wins means more people get the candidate of their choice elected than in a system like the electroral college where a candidate can win even with fewer votes than another candidate (as in Fl 2000).

However the game theoretic approach is the wrong approach anyway. Voting is a collective act anyway: as I said the odds of one vote determining the winner are very near zero. The non-voters actually have a tremendous argument that they are utility maximizers. Voting is something you do as a citizen; there is the hidden premise that "if only enough people do the same thing I do". You need to look at what is collectively rational - and of course the other people you are taking into account don't have to be within the bouhds of your state.

There is another related issue. Often the argument is that we had no electoral college politicians would ignore all but a handful of states (which is really what they do now). But in the absence an electoral college politicians would need votes regardless of what state they were from. The popular vote tends to be closer than the electoral vote. Given that we have had two elections in a row with very close popular votes, I don't think any politican would neglect any state. Yeah, Montana would get less candidate time than Ohio. But I think it does now, and in any case that is reasonable. In the absence of an electoral college you would have a lot fewer states ignored.

And yes, there are plenty of other problems in our system. But the electoral college is certainly one of them. (I'd say the way our Senate is set up is another.)