This girl at school? She told me that gelatin is made from ground-up cow's feet and that every time you eat Jell-O there's some cow out there limping around without any feet. But I told her that I'm sure the cow is dead before they cut its feet off, right?

Dawn ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Vortex - Oct 06, 2007 2:02:52 pm PDT #5335 of 10001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Not to mention if there's that kind of shenanigans in the rape case, he can sue too.

sounds like it wasn't shenanigans as much as incompetence. which is not to say that he wouldn't have grounds.


flea - Oct 06, 2007 2:37:30 pm PDT #5336 of 10001
information libertarian

My point was, lots of people spend decades in prison for crimes they didn't commit, often due to prosecutorial misconduct or incompetence, and don't get $10 mil. apiece. Example: [link] Of course, lots of people aren't wealthy white college students with right-wing backing and very fancy lawyers.

Plus, in the Duke case, the lawsuit has stopped the city's investigation of what happened in the police department and the prosecutor's office, because of the possible liability. I feel like the lawsuit will cause *less* justice, not more.


Scrappy - Oct 06, 2007 2:46:09 pm PDT #5337 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Spent the day sanding kitchen cabinet doors and frames and boy, are my arms tired. Literally. Think they're gonna look pretty good when we're done, though.

Moving in two weeks! Have not yet begun packing! Have too many books!


Kat - Oct 06, 2007 2:48:29 pm PDT #5338 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Robin, do you need help packing? I could come over and help for a bit.


Scrappy - Oct 06, 2007 2:52:03 pm PDT #5339 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

You are the sweetest, but no, we're okay. I am sorting everything into yard sale, move, and toss piles, so there is stuff piled EVERYWHERE and that makes me antsy.


Consuela - Oct 06, 2007 2:57:43 pm PDT #5340 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I was walking the dog just now, and noticed a car that had... yellow tinted windows. And then I noticed that there was smoke curling off the front hood, like at the bottom of the windshield. And that it smelled of smoke.

Banged on the door, rang doorbell of the house it was parked in front: no response. So the guy two doors down called the fire department, and finally, just before they rolled up, the guy inside the house came out--apparently he'd been asleep.

I'm not sure if I saved lives, or even the car: I'm sure the interior was trashed. Weird experience.


Lee - Oct 06, 2007 3:04:19 pm PDT #5341 of 10001
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

That is weird, Consuela. Good on you for being a good citizen though.

FNL: Sparky, I agree that I wish they'd focused on keeping the characters complex and not the plot. I agree with AmyLiz that hitting the guy, even twice, was in character for Landry given the circumstances, but not the reaction afterwards.

I also love the interactions between Coach and Grandma Saracen, and Coach and Tami, and Coach and Matt.

I mostly just like Coach, I guess.


bon bon - Oct 06, 2007 3:05:06 pm PDT #5342 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

My point was, lots of people spend decades in prison for crimes they didn't commit, often due to prosecutorial misconduct or incompetence, and don't get $10 mil. apiece. Example: [link] Of course, lots of people aren't wealthy white college students with right-wing backing and very fancy lawyers.

Well, part of the problem here is that there is legal distinction between misconduct and incompetence. There's good policy reasons why a simple overturned verdict doesn't deserve damages, just as in any other unintentional tort. By going by the link in your example alone, I would posit that the distinction between that case and the Duke case (again, just a complaint, not a verdict, and the number is made up) is evidence of knowing misconduct. In the Duke case, politics or no, fancy lawyers or no, the misconduct appears clear enough to support a lawsuit. I mean, are you saying they shouldn't sue, that they shouldn't get damages for it? That an internal investigation is more likely to lead to the truth than civil discovery? Finally, there are plenty of fancy lawyers willing to take a 30% cut of a wrongful conviction suit. I don't see the politics here.

ETA: after googling, the plaintiffs are represented by Barry Scheck, who runs the Innocence Project, Emery Celli, where I have a good friend and most of their work is suing the city and state for individual rights violations, and Williams & Connolly, which I always thought of as a Democrat firm b/c of its Clinton representation, but probably swings both ways. In any case, I don't really see the rich getting richer if Scheck and Emery Celli get paid off on this-- they do incredible work for prisoners.


sumi - Oct 06, 2007 3:19:08 pm PDT #5343 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

FNL: I hope that what we saw this week was just Landry in shock. And that he will confess to his father ASAP. I mean, I hated that they went in this direction but I hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel somehow. Also, loved the Saracens and Coach T at the grocery store. CT's hair was particularly emotive in that scene. And it was so hard to watch Tami crumble when Eric left. . . to go talk to BUDDY. What was up with that?


flea - Oct 06, 2007 3:30:01 pm PDT #5344 of 10001
information libertarian

I do think that the internal investigation was more likely to lead to the truth than civil discovery. I'm not sure if that that is naive or cynical. The city council was pissed off at the BS report that the police put out, and threw it back at them and asked for the real truth. I think civil discovery will just get the BS. There will be more publicity and lawyerly posturing, and I've seen way too much of that already. I'm ready for it to be done. Nifong was disbarred; why sue the city (which can't pay to pave the fucking streets)? They have already settled with Duke, too, so they've had one payday already. It seems ugly and greedy and political. It may not look political from a distance, but down here there's this ugly, in some cases racist and right-wing, "our boys are innocent angels" thing.