Oh, I wish those council guys would let me have an hour alone in the room with her, if I was larger and had grenades.

Willow ,'Storyteller'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


brenda m - Sep 26, 2007 7:44:06 am PDT #3107 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think of exercise and the nation's self-esteem being related as a myth that everyone knows is a myth, if they even grant it any status at all.

I don't think it's a myth. I think people do feel better about themselves, in the sense that they think on some level it makes them a better person. How often have you bragged or been bragged to about making it to the gym? Happens all the time. (More the latter than the former in my case, heh.)

And the converse is even more true - that not exercising or going to the gym is reflective of some sort of character flaw, or laziness at the very least.

Which is not to say these things are true. But that people believe them, on some level, is certainly true in this country.


Cashmere - Sep 26, 2007 7:48:30 am PDT #3108 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

Does anyone think it's weird if little kids call grown-ups by their first names? Bloke says it's Just Not Done in America, and finds it very weird here where no one calls anyone Mr or Mrs anything. The only situation I can think of is in school, but even that's being phased out, I hear.

Not weird to me. But it depends on the degree of familiarity. If it's someone I would call by their first names, I find it hard to introduce them to my kids as Mr. __ or Ms. ___. Teachers, etc. still get called by their title, since I think it's a respect thing.

But just someone casually, I'm not apt to force Mr. or Ms. onto my kids.


Glamcookie - Sep 26, 2007 7:53:03 am PDT #3109 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Now that I'm an adult, I would find it totally weird to have anyone address me as Ms. Hell, I'm not even that into Aunt as it feels so formal.


§ ita § - Sep 26, 2007 7:55:24 am PDT #3110 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

How often have you bragged or been bragged to about making it to the gym?

Not that often, honestly.

But, bon, I don't see the point of that statement if France and the US are similarly uncheered by an increase in physical exertion.

This is not what the author said. He said:

I didn't say that's what he said. I posit that Americans are uncheered and he posits that the French are uncheered. That's where I was discussing from.

I also think that better self esteem is generally better mental health.

Oh, and some other stuff. I'm going back to bed.


Emily - Sep 26, 2007 7:58:01 am PDT #3111 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I would find it totally weird to have anyone address me as Ms.

Does take a lot of work. Occasionally I respond to "Ms. [lastname]" with "Yes, Mr. Guerrero?" This tended to surprise the middle-schoolers.


Emily - Sep 26, 2007 8:00:12 am PDT #3112 of 10001
"In the equation E = mc⬧, c⬧ is a pretty big honking number." - Scola

I've bragged about making it to the gym because it's so unusual for me. And I can never keep it up. I get so tired of the "If you'd just exercise, you'd have more energy!" sentiment, since -- unless it can start working within two or three visits -- I don't have enough energy to exercise regularly! You'd think this would be an obvious obstacle.

Of course, then we get into the tired=lazy=bad issue, and I go eat chips instead.


Scrappy - Sep 26, 2007 8:03:05 am PDT #3113 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Being fit makes anyone feel better. I don't mean being skinny, but being fit--getting your heart rate up and using your muscles to the point of tiredness on a regular basis so they are toned and strong. We are designed to move and all the systems of our body work better when we do so. I think that's a fact which no one would argue. But how one gets healthy is immaterial, although we do make gym-going a moral thing here.

Since my surgery, I have fallen back into rationalizing not getting much exercise andit sucks. I am working on getting back in shape again right now and I know I will feel better (noot about myself, just better in general) once I do so.


shrift - Sep 26, 2007 8:07:28 am PDT #3114 of 10001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Our lunch options have been canceled, sadly.

Wah. May the hotel sandwiches be tasty and edible.

I have french fries and new glasses! I'm a little worried that other people aren't going to find them as awesome as I do.


lisah - Sep 26, 2007 8:08:26 am PDT #3115 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

I've bragged about making it to the gym because it's so unusual for me. And I can never keep it up.

Yeah I did this too. It turns out I just hated going to the gym. So I figured out what I can do for exercise that doesn't involve going to the gym and I'm much happier! Although I guess I do still feel all morally superior (to my lazy self, that is) when I exercise. Right now I'm having a challenge for myself that if I exercise every day for a whole month straight I get to buy the Office season 3 dvds. And I decided last night that if I do something every day until the end of the year I can get a new tattoo. I just like a competition, I guess, even if it's a self-imposed one!


Frankenbuddha - Sep 26, 2007 8:10:31 am PDT #3116 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I have french fries and new glasses! I'm a little worried that other people aren't going to find them as awesome as I do.

Certainly the longer you wait to eat them, the less awsome they are going to get.