Right. Sir. Honey.

Zoe ,'The Train Job'


Natter 54: Right here, dammit.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Sep 24, 2007 5:36:33 pm PDT #2674 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wish I had thetime to start up with the geneology stuff again.

I wish I had the patience. My family's execrable. They're all mad at me for not writing it down, but I'm mad at them for not telling me info to write down. So I threw my hands up in the air and walked away. It was cool up until the pain, though. Even found Ellis Island records and everything.

Just looking at the family tree stuff now, and my paternal grandmother had six other kids than my father, and my paternal grandfather had four others.

And then home called, and I doublechecked, and Miss Di had kids with 5 men and never married, and Ba Pa had kids with 4 women, one of whom he married.

We're Jamaican.

That's how we roll.

My father is related to two of his brothers twice, but we try not to think about it too hard.


meara - Sep 24, 2007 5:38:07 pm PDT #2675 of 10001

Funny thing is, it is reminding me of the Cherry..Adams? books I read growing up. All nurse-mysteries, set in WW2, for the most part

Cherry Ames!

There's a great lesbian knockoff of her...Cherry Aimless...


Kathy A - Sep 24, 2007 5:39:43 pm PDT #2676 of 10001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Yeah, the rape of Nanking is totally ignored in history. All we usually hear about is Pearl Harbor, and the invasion of Singapore, Burma, etc., and the danger of imminent invasion of Australia might as well never have happened. Unless you watch Bridge on the River Kwai or managed to catch Tenko on PBS, like I did.

This morning on the radio, people were calling in to discuss the Ken Burns doc, and many of them were saying how they had no clue about Bataan and Correigedor, and MacArthur's abandonment of the troops. This is where my romance reading came in handy--I read one set in the Pacific theater, starting with the retreat to Correigedor and going through the return to the Phillippines. It's not a bad romance, and does a decent job of covering a lot of the Allied battles there, from Guadalcanal and New Guinea to Okinawa.


Amy - Sep 24, 2007 5:40:09 pm PDT #2677 of 10001
Because books.

My paternal grandmother was the eldest of six. When her dad died, her mother married a widower with six kids. Then they went on to have three more together.

My dad was born just a year or two before his mother's half-brother, the youngest of the fifteen.

It would be monumentally weird to be having kids at the same time your mother is.


sarameg - Sep 24, 2007 5:41:38 pm PDT #2678 of 10001

Ames! That's it! I read just about every serial in the local library.

ita, I can also find my g-parents' records at Ellis Isle. Or rather, my grandfather, and then my grandmother and her parents (she immigrated at 12- her parents only married to make that easier.)


Cashmere - Sep 24, 2007 5:42:06 pm PDT #2679 of 10001
Now tagless for your comfort.

It would be monumentally weird to be having kids at the same time your mother is.

My mom and her mom were pregnant at the same time.


msbelle - Sep 24, 2007 5:42:56 pm PDT #2680 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Yeah, you need some serious mapping software.

I am worried that family lines may cross 6-7 generations back when people from my mother's side and we think my father's side were in what became West Virginia at the same time.

Sadly, I think I lost a bunch of my stuff (it can all be re-created, but when)because I was using software that I never updtaed and won't even run on new machines. I think the next time I start up I will enter it all online.


msbelle - Sep 24, 2007 5:42:58 pm PDT #2681 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

DavidS - Sep 24, 2007 5:43:46 pm PDT #2682 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

The British view of the war...well, I'm a war sap. It's not quite as bad as slavery to make me squirt tears, but it's bad. I'm not rational on the subject. The British view is so fucking tired. Of adults and children and old people having bombs dropped on them all the time, and families fractured so that some of them might survive, and all this pretty damned close on the heels of the last big war, and the Germans are RIGHT FUCKING OVER THERE and...

I have a handful of vaguely pop culture related responses:

1) I'm always fascinated by stories from Brit children who grew up during the war. I love the movie Hope and Glory which portrays the blitz as something like a ten year old boy's paradise of pure anarchy. There's also the recurrent theme of children displaced from the cities and sent to the country, which is the root story of The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. But appears in many accounts of that era.

2) A big part of post-war Britain's response to American Rock and Roll (and jazz before that) was that it was seen as so culturally alive and vivid after the rationing which went on for many, many years after the war. The whole effect of rationing on the British psyche is also reflected in the Ealing comedy Passport to Pimlico. And the book Absolute Beginners talks about it a lot.

3) When the first wave of British punks flirted with Nazi symbolism there was - for most of them - not an identification with British fascism, but a repudiation of the whole "we suffered and beat the Nazi's you ungrateful bastards" myth.


tommyrot - Sep 24, 2007 5:43:59 pm PDT #2683 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I recall Mr. Smith mentioning McArthur's freezing up at the Phillipines, but he still gets lauded for the post-war Japan thing. But he really fucked up.

Yeah, the more I learn about McArthur the less I like him. I read somewhere that Roosevelt and his superiors wanted to fire McArthur but they couldn't because he was too popular back home. (McArthur was finally fired during the Korean war due to his violating orders, an unfortunate consequence of which was bringing China into the war against the US.)