Oh, one thing that's interesting is that after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Germany was under no obligation to come to its Japanese ally's aid and go to war on the US (because Japan, not the US, was the aggressor) but they did anyway. Hitler's declaration of war against the US confused a lot of people....

In light of today's discussion, HIMYM just got hilarious.

Today is going to end at some point, right?

Since most of my posts of recent past have been all about frustration or me hating various things, I gladly post Good News (no not about how Jesus is My Lord and Saviour)

We got the call that we can get mac's brace on Thursday! and a Batman costume came in the mail today via ebay and has been proclaimed SUPER DUPER COOL! Costume fits well and he wore it all evening while watching TV.

How is the delay in the US entering WWII presented in the US?

Um, I believe that in my history classes it was basically "See, we didn't join in until it got personal...but CLEARLY before we joined in, it wasn't a WORLD war, see..."

mac wants to type:

justice league unlimited is at my uncle's house.

HI MAC!!!!

CLEARLY before we joined in, it wasn't a WORLD war, see...

I can't believe I never asked this question before now. The answers are fascinating.

Some other chick just got her life fixed with fashion tips, a new haircut, and pretty clothes.

I wish I had shit that could get fixed like that.

Good News (no not about how Jesus is My Lord and Saviour)

Well, that's timely, because I just got home from several days with relatives, many of whom are conservative Christians. It was kind of interesting, actually, but mostly because I made a good effort to avoid Certain Conversations. In general, my grandmother continues to be nuts, my cousins' kids continue to be adorable, and I am super excited to sleep in my own bed tonight. Actually, I'm super excited to sleep in a bed at all, after three nights on a sofa.

Yay for Mac! Excuse me, I mean BATMAC!!!

How is the delay in the US entering WWII presented in the US?

I'd say it is presented as "What delay?"

Okay, I was all about to post an Eddie Izzard quote (which is suddenly making me wonder when The Riches will be back with new episodes) about WWII, but then tommyrot and Narrator provided actual useful history info.

But hey, every discussion can use an Eddie Izzard quote, right?

"By the time America came in -- cause you were watching a U.S. cavalry film, cause, the U.S. cavalry always comes in right just towards the end of the film. [charge melody] Dun-duh-lun-duh-duh-duh-dun-duh-duh. [/charge melody] 'Ok, let's go America! I love the smell of Europe in the morning! So, how're you doing?' And we were going, 'Fucking hell, where've you been?' 'Ahhh, having breakfast. So, what's going on, hey?' "

"I heard somebody say, Where's Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead because Saddam Hussein killed all the Mandelas,"

Y'know, I'm not even sure what Bush meant by that. Or, at the very least, what he thought he was conveying.

What is presented so far is the usual U.S. self-image. The far right version is:

Degenerate old Europe was turning into a Charnel house, what with the Nazis and the Commies and the old weak aristocracies and semi-democracies. The lights were going out all over Europe. And then Japan dragged us rugged muscular Americans into it, and we gave them what-for, and gave the Nazis what for, and saved the day. And the rest of the world was never properly grateful.

I wish that was a parody, but the only reason is not a quote is that I'm relying on memory. But not an exaggeration. One of the reasons WWII rhetoric is so effective when you want to drag USAians into war.

It is eternally September 1938 in certain parts of the American imagination. Every war opponent is Chamberlain;everywhere anyone opposes war is Munich; every tin-pot dictator is Hitler.