Lucy has played her share of bitch. If that's what they need from her, they can find it. Her TV role before this was high on the cold bitch scale.

I am super rolling my eyes at H50. Why did Danno drive (I'm assuming at ridic speeds, or did he observe the law?) to tell Steve such important information? Did they cover why phones and police radio were out of the question when he knows he's seeing his mother off, and that his mother's complicit in the Wo Fat shit? How long are we supposed to be sympathetic to that kind of heart-thumping revelation? I just thought they were stupid.

I will believe whatever Andre Braugher wants me to.

I'm with Dana.

That's a good point, ita, but I have already forgotten what the revelation was, so...that whole helicopter clampy rescue was pretty sweet...

I'm guessing that (in the tradition of melodrama) that Steve and Wo Fat are half brothers.

Missed the Braugher show.

I enjoyed Elementary.

Mrs. McGarrett didn't try and kill Wo Fat. No exchange of gunfire like she said--she fired three bullets into the floor. Which is also 101 stupid for someone who's "been doing this since before you were born".

I don't quite buy Lahti as long time action hero, myself. She is hardcore when the role calls for it, but I don't get the action part.

Lucy has played her share of bitch. I

KInd of my point. Her default role, which for once she is not playing.

Oh, right. Maybe Danno didn't call on purpose so mom would be gone before he told Steve, to avoid difficult choices having to be made...

I can see them going there, sumi.

I don't know that anything about the Mama McGarrett story worked for me, but I am grumpily tired of dead mothers being shockingly still alive in general.

why people who normally dislike Lucy Liu but don't here

Oh, I thought your "here" was b.org, and "normally" was the rest of viewership.

Where are you getting the information that people have disliked Lucy up until now and like her in this?

Where are you getting the information that people have disliked Lucy up until now and like her in this?

I'm an anecdata point. (Although I wouldn't say I *liked* her in Elementary; I just didn't dislike her, which is a great deal more than I've ever felt towards her before.)

I'm assuming there's going to be a shift with each role. Some will like that didn't like, some will not like that liked.

I don't know that she has a traditional Lady Dragon choice of characters--we're talking Charlie's Angels here. She played an icy character in Southland, who was Lady Dragon within the text, and kind of fighting it and playing into it at the same time. I mean, you saw how she was different, and how she was exploiting it.

She's done it sometimes, and sometimes she doesn't do it.

I was interpreting Typo's statement the second time to mean that a) this is a shift from the rest of her career and b) the rest of her career could be usefully characterised as Asian Ice Princess and c) there's a sea change in the audience response to her . But I'm probably still misreading. I do not know where the data for c) would come from either.