Angel: Eve. So, I guess we should, I don't know, talk? Eve: About what? Angel: About what happened back there with us. Eve: Angel, it's not like this is the first time I've had sex under a mystical influence. I went to U.C. Santa Cruz.

'Life of the Party'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


brenda m - Jul 13, 2012 7:59:47 am PDT #9037 of 11831
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I don't agree she shows much guilt - taking the recent season alone.

I feel like last season they came *this close* to her having an epiphany moment. I think it would have been a fascinating way to tie up the series if they had shown her grappling with any guilt and more importantly questioning and even resisting her own instincts as future cases arise.

Instead, they veered away and seem to have her doubling down. Disappointing.


WindSparrow - Jul 13, 2012 8:15:54 am PDT #9038 of 11831
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

She will do whatever to get what she wants: including clearly jeopardizing her career. I am not sure this is the Brenda I saw in the first season. She is not devoid of emotion, but she is a serious manipulator - of people close to her as well as the suspects she goes after.

I may be looking at the term sociopath in more of a technical way than you are. Facile manipulation is a feature of more than one disorder, and more than one personality type. A sociopath will have a flat affect when there is no one to put on a show for, will not experience empathy or compassion. Of course seeking those traits and finding them presupposes writers and show runners who have the knowledge and intent to present a sociopathic character as such.


le nubian - Jul 13, 2012 9:00:28 am PDT #9039 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

It could be true. I am certainly not in a position to diagnose. My point is that she seems to have a pathological disregard for her violation of laws and civil rights. If that doesn't fit the DSM for sociopath, I'm fine with whatever pathology fits.


Calli - Jul 13, 2012 11:32:42 am PDT #9040 of 11831
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Has anyone else seen Perception?

I watched the pilot for the Eric McCormack factor (I find him attractive) and I'm a bit uncomfortable about how they're approaching mental illness as a major plot point. On the other hand, the female lead (whose name I'm blanking on) has potential. And there's bonus LeVar Burton.


sj - Jul 13, 2012 11:38:10 am PDT #9041 of 11831
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Has anyone else seen Perception?

It is still on my DVR.


le nubian - Jul 13, 2012 12:00:43 pm PDT #9042 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Calli,

I'm with you there. The whole thing makes me uncomfortable. It is why I stopped watching Monk.


Juliebird - Jul 13, 2012 12:12:48 pm PDT #9043 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

The whole thing makes me uncomfortable. It is why I stopped watching Monk.

I thought I was the only one discomfited by the larfs generated by Monk's condition. Epic arguments with little brother over this very topic.

Hey! Let's take a murder, bereavement, emotional trauma, and a mental disorder and make a comedy on that foundation! Hilarious! And I love Tony Shaloub.


le nubian - Jul 13, 2012 12:18:21 pm PDT #9044 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

definitely not. The ep (I think it was in the second season) where he completely broke down and was in a mental hospital? not funny. he acted it VERY well, but I couldn't see the character played for laughs any more.


Zenkitty - Jul 13, 2012 12:41:02 pm PDT #9045 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

ITA about Monk. If it had been played as a serious drama with comedic elements, I think I'd have loved it, but playing it all for laughs made me deeply uncomfortable.

Perception: I watched about half of it and realized I wasn't paying attention, so I turned it off. It's still on my DVR, I'll probably give it another try. I like McCormick, and I usually like Sherlock-Holmes-type stories, but this one didn't grab me.


le nubian - Jul 13, 2012 12:42:44 pm PDT #9046 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

oh and all of the "surprises" in the pilot (Perception) I pretty much saw coming. I watch too many procedurals so I am not sure it is possible to surprise me any longer, but some of this stuff was SO obvious. dang.