Faith: A kid. Angel's got a kid. Wesley: Connor. Faith: A teenage kid born last year. Wesley: I told you, he grew up in a hell dimension. Faith: Right. And what, Cordelia spent her last summer as… Wesley: A divine being. Faith: Uh-huh. Can I just ask--What the hell are you people doing?

'Why We Fight'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Typo Boy - Nov 29, 2011 9:22:27 am PST #8418 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

I guess I mostly turn off that part of my brain when I watch cop shows. (Which is why I have no cop shows that are must sees for me.) Because just about all of them have cops who first decide who the bad guys are and then do whatever they can to get them - within the rules or not. Which leads in the real world to really brutal cops. So if I could not turn off those particular brain cells I cant think of many cop shows I could watch. There may be a few, not a universal to cop shows, but pretty common.


§ ita § - Nov 29, 2011 9:29:55 am PST #8419 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A show like NYPD Blue or The Wire is pretty clear about showing the grey (or really dark) spaces that cops go to in order to punish who they see as the lawbreakers, or just to exploit their power. I respect that.

Then I watch Steve McGarrett plough through tons of innocent people (and co-workers!) just doing their jobs just in order to escape (admittedly unjust) detention. Nothing made of it. Because he's the man. Action hero, living on the edge.

Ack. Ptui.


Tom Scola - Nov 29, 2011 9:34:46 am PST #8420 of 11831
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Since the whole premise of The Closer is to get the perps to confess to their crimes, it portrays cops unapologetically crossing ethical lines more often than other cop shows, IMHO. I had to stop watching it.


Typo Boy - Nov 29, 2011 9:44:48 am PST #8421 of 11831
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Who is Steve McGarret. Sorry action heroes not big in my life. Except Jackie Chan. Maybe sometimes Jame Bond, but Bond is not a hero. He is a supervillain who happens to fight other supervillains much of the time.


erikaj - Nov 29, 2011 9:47:58 am PST #8422 of 11831
Always Anti-fascist!

The Wire has cops who are bad(like the one who broke the kid's arm in the fourth season) and some drug dealers, like Bodie, who are decent young guys. they do an interesting thing in re McNulty being the "cop who makes his own rules' in that, as in real life, it bites him on the butt. Mostly, I think *we* still cheer for him(a testament to Domenic West's performance, in my opinion,) but his department finds him a huge pain in the ass because he's so dedicated, doesn't care about the chain of command, and makes work for his supervisors every chance he gets. And then there's Prez, who makes one of the biggest character turnarounds since Wesley(although he doesn't quite make it to that whole bitter and hot thing, occasionally I found myself thinking Mrs. Prez was kind of lucky.) But on most shows, screwing up that badly as a cop would cost you protagonist status.


Kathy A - Nov 29, 2011 9:55:42 am PST #8423 of 11831
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Who is Steve McGarret

Hawaii 5-0, previously played by Jack Lord in the first version, now Action Hero Steve as portrayed by Alex O'Loughlin in a not-bad American accent. It's filled with the pretty boys and girls, the pretty islands, and the snarky dialogue, so I watch it strictly for the popcorn value.


Connie Neil - Nov 29, 2011 9:59:54 am PST #8424 of 11831
brillig

I like the cop shows where they occasionally talk about having to make a case for the DA or leaving angles that the defense can work with.

There was even a Bones where they weren't able to take the person to court because the bad guy kept his mouth shut and they didn't have compelling evidence.


§ ita § - Nov 29, 2011 10:21:33 am PST #8425 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

He is a supervillain who happens to fight other supervillains much of the time.

What makes a supervillain for you? Surely the guy fighting to save the world and stop mass destruction isn't your average nor your super sort of bad guy?

it portrays cops unapologetically crossing ethical lines more often than other cop shows

I loved the potential premise that she could out-think people into giving confessions by running circles around them. But she relies so much on emotional intimidation that I don't find her obvious talents worthy of respect. As noted, though, I think she has one of the best supporting casts on TV right now, so I keep coming back. I can see why they might keep working under her, but for the life of me I can*not* get her husband. That creeps me out.

A show like Castle either manages to keep everyone "nicer" or to just keep amusing me so that I'm distracted by laughter and charisma. Haven't worked out which. But when I watched McGarrett injure EMTs on his way out it was over for me with regards to his character and even any shipping, really. Again, just in it for the Danno, and the wish that they'd do more with Daniel Dae Kim's character. Kono's about alright. Okay, she can still make me cry every now and again.


-t - Nov 29, 2011 11:39:05 am PST #8426 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Yeah, that diminished my enjoyment of H50. But I do still enjoy it, whereas when Person of Interest demonstrated that as long as the only people who were killed were not the ones identified by the machine, their deaths were of no importance I quit watching. Not sure what the difference is, or if there really is one.


§ ita § - Nov 29, 2011 11:46:09 am PST #8427 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't get Person of Interest, but I started watching pretty late on in the season, relatively speaking. I can barely get through the mangst to the weekly plot.