Are you in the right thread? I can't think of a procedural on tonight. Did something start as well as Leverage?

I didn't want to go into cable drama to avoid the spoilage, but some where where my pain could be felt

Am I supposed to still be thinking Chief Johnson is a horrible person? Is that the text, or is that me? She's so straight up unpleasant, and in a way that has potentially awful impacts on lives all around her.

Yeah, I'm kind of losing track of where they're going with this. Her speechifying about having to step outside the lines like the coach was repellent.

(And talk about unfortunately timely plotting.)

I have a theory. The short version is "yes" you are supposed to hate her.

The long version: up to this last season, behind all the quirky layers, Closer was just a typical cop drama about a hard-ass cop who breaks the rules to get the bad guys. And we were supposed to cheer for her, and mostly did.

And then in planning the closing season the writers looked back over her past, realized that as written she was a monster and a threat. The whole idea of cheering rule-breaking cops is a bad one. So they decided to use the last season to make us see that too. (And kudos to those who noticed it before this season.)

And we were supposed to cheer for her, and mostly did.

Do you mean most of us did, or we did most of the time?

And kudos to those who noticed it before this season.

Seriously, not looking for kudos, I've always disliked her (but love the rest of the ensemble, so I watch for them), but since they seem to be actually working it, she's repulsive. A horrible person who seems intent on dragging people down to the place where her mind lives. And who cares about the collateral (or direct) damage?

I think most of us who watched the show did most of the time.

I've seen two random episodes of The Closer. I thought she was vile. Never could watch the show.

I guess I mostly turn off that part of my brain when I watch cop shows. (Which is why I have no cop shows that are must sees for me.) Because just about all of them have cops who first decide who the bad guys are and then do whatever they can to get them - within the rules or not. Which leads in the real world to really brutal cops. So if I could not turn off those particular brain cells I cant think of many cop shows I could watch. There may be a few, not a universal to cop shows, but pretty common.

A show like NYPD Blue or The Wire is pretty clear about showing the grey (or really dark) spaces that cops go to in order to punish who they see as the lawbreakers, or just to exploit their power. I respect that.

Then I watch Steve McGarrett plough through tons of innocent people (and co-workers!) just doing their jobs just in order to escape (admittedly unjust) detention. Nothing made of it. Because he's the man. Action hero, living on the edge.

Ack. Ptui.