I waffle on it precisely because of Red John. When he's not on, it's 9 o'clock fare--it's sarcastic and pretty easy for the casual viewer to not realise Jane's a psychopath. But Red John is some messed up shit.
Do I wish I was somebody else right now. Somebody not... married, not madly in love with a beautiful woman who can kill me with her pinkie!
Wash ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'
Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.
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§ ita § - Feb 02, 2010 1:18:15 pm PST #4838 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
le nubian - Feb 02, 2010 2:37:09 pm PST #4839 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
no shit, right? Yeah, the ep with speed dating was harmless enough. So I see your point. But I figure the most violent ep should be what dictates the time slot.
Zenkitty - Feb 02, 2010 3:15:01 pm PST #4840 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
The show itself is kinda psychopathic - it goes skipping along with you hand in hand, you're having a happy fun time, and suddenly it turns to you and gives an evil smile and there's HORRIBLE CRAZY DEATH.
Liese S. - Feb 02, 2010 3:27:10 pm PST #4841 of 11831
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Hee. Why is it that sounds appealing to me? Do I need to go back to it? I dunno if I can handle the Red John stuff.
Castle is very rewatchable. I rewatched Double Down, or whatever that one was where they`re betting on the cases. Which reminded me of the question why Beckett doesn`t have a partner other than Castle. She should, right?
Juliebird - Feb 02, 2010 4:02:57 pm PST #4842 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
It sounds awesome the way Zenkitty phrases it, but I find it to be gratingly dissonant in actuality on most ocassions. Although I did quit watching and eventually came back to it.
§ ita § - Feb 02, 2010 4:11:16 pm PST #4843 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the main thing that alienates people from The Mentalist is the protagonist. I'm okay with him being a non-violent sociopath. But I've read a lot of dissatisfied former viewers who've grown to hate him and what they see as the text's excusing of his behaviour.
I think he's hysterical. At precisely the distance he is--aided and abetted by Simon Baker's charisma.
Dana - Feb 02, 2010 4:12:55 pm PST #4844 of 11831
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I don't think the show excuses his behavior. Or if it does, Baker's acting against the text and doing it damn well.
Vortex - Feb 02, 2010 4:13:25 pm PST #4845 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman
I agree, I have liked Jane less and less as the show has gone on.
Juliebird - Feb 02, 2010 4:25:55 pm PST #4846 of 11831
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I don't hate Jane, and I don't look at the show closely enough to feel that the show excuses his behaviour. What I do find is inconsistent writing of how amused we're supposed to be by the fights he starts (which may be "excusing his behaviour" phrased differently?), the almost non-addressing of the deeper, darker issues, and Lisbon's character (yeah, still hate her and how Tunney plays her).
Zenkitty - Feb 02, 2010 4:31:38 pm PST #4847 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.
I was getting really tired of The Mentalist until ita explained that Jane is a psychopath, and then the show seemed different and I liked it better. Because I no longer have to like Jane, or anybody who likes him/condones his behavior.
That said, I'm about four episodes behind and not in any hurry to catch up.
What's the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?