And the thing is, I like my evil like I like my men: evil. You know, straight up, black hat, tied to the train tracks, soon my electro-ray will destroy metropolis BAD.

Buffy ,'Sleeper'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Frankenbuddha - Nov 24, 2009 6:00:22 pm PST #4263 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

So - best TV dad currently:

Cal Lightman, Nick Castle or Jack Carter?


-t - Nov 24, 2009 6:10:47 pm PST #4264 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Well, I'm several episodes behind in Lie to Me, and I haven't seen Jack recently, so I'll go with Castle for the moment. I like his parenting a whole lot.


le nubian - Nov 24, 2009 6:13:02 pm PST #4265 of 11831
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I would say Lightman. Best daughter would be Castle's - but she grew up despite some questionable parenting skills.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2009 6:14:57 pm PST #4266 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think Cal has too much friction in his relationship with Emily to win. I'd probably give the edge to Jack because Alexis kinda raises herself--or maybe Rick gets the points for doing that good a job. It's a hard call.

Cal is still head and shoulders above a lot of TV dads. But my favourite of the past decade is probably Sandy Cohen from The O.C.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 24, 2009 6:16:21 pm PST #4267 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Granted - once upon a time Keith Mars would have topped my list, but I'm hard pressed to decide among the three now.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 24, 2009 6:19:16 pm PST #4268 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

And what's up with all the great dads being single? I'm trying to think of a recent married great dad, and the best I can come up with is Hal from Malcolm in the Middle. And Hank Hill, I guess.


-t - Nov 24, 2009 6:20:50 pm PST #4269 of 11831
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Coach Taylor!


Frankenbuddha - Nov 24, 2009 6:23:41 pm PST #4270 of 11831
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I should mention that the reason I brought this up here was I just watched the most recent Lie to Me and thought Cal lied bigtime to his daughter, he also came clean about it in a great way.


§ ita § - Nov 24, 2009 6:24:37 pm PST #4271 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sandy Cohen was married. I hated Keith Mars' relationship with Veronica. He didn't seem to spend much time fathering her. Zoe and Alexis are precocious, but they're teenagers and their fathers treat them like teens.


sumi - Nov 25, 2009 3:09:42 am PST #4272 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

Yes, while I think that Keith and Veronica had a good relationship - it seems like she was taking care of him as much as he was taking care of her.

Sandy Cohen was a great tv dad.

Of the three you mention - I think that Jack Carter is still the tops. (Aren't Lightman's relationships all a little odd?)