You're nice, and you're funny and you don't smoke, and okay, werewolf, but that's not all the time. I mean, three days out of the month, I'm not much fun to be around, either.

Willow ,'Get It Done'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Zenkitty - Nov 06, 2009 9:45:29 am PST #4070 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Hotch told him he wouldn't recommend him for field office leadership

Okay, Hotch is (was, will be) team leader, but is he the field office leader? Or is that Strauss? I'm confused about everyone's rank. What's Reid's place in the hierarchy? And they often introduce each other as "Supervisory Special Agent" - if they're all Supervisors, who are they supervising? "This is SSA Somebody" sounds awkward, anyway, and who outside of the FBI would actually know what that meant?


Vortex - Nov 06, 2009 9:52:35 am PST #4071 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Okay, Hotch is (was, will be) team leader, but is he the field office leader?

No, because they are based in DC, which is the main office. A field office would be an office anywhere else.

What's Reid's place in the hierarchy?

Reid's a apecial agent, but I think that they introduce him as Dr. Spencer Reid because he looks twelve.

And they often introduce each other as "Supervisory Special Agent" -

Only Hotch and Rossi are SSAs. Everybody else is just an special agent. I know that special agents are criminal investigators, but I don't know if "agent" is a specified rank (i.e. Garcia might be an agent, since she is technically not a criminal investigator, or she might just be a civilian employee)


Fred Pete - Nov 06, 2009 9:54:27 am PST #4072 of 11831
Ann, that's a ferret.

I don't watch the show, so I don't know whether it matters, but "SSA" is also shorthand for "Senior Special Agent."


§ ita § - Nov 06, 2009 9:58:42 am PST #4073 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't know if the Virginia office counts as a field office. Strauss is a Section Chief, I think. Everybody but Garcia is a Supervisory Special Agent, but no, I don't think they supervise anyone unless they're chief of something. Reid's an SSA too, but they introduce him as Doctor. Gideon explained why--to help him seem older, I think.

Garcia is a technical analyst, not an agent, but they did have her flash an agent badge in whatever episode it is that some guy pretends to be an FBI agent to pick up on the women in a bar at the beginning--probably an error to serve the joke.


Sophia Brooks - Nov 06, 2009 9:59:01 am PST #4074 of 11831
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

According to this FBI FAQ, Question 17 here:

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all "profilers" are supervisory special agents.

17. I want to be an FBI "Profiler" - where do I begin the application process?
You first need to realize the FBI does not have a job called "Profiler." The tasks commonly associated with "profiling" are performed by Supervisory Special Agents assigned to the National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime (NCAVC) at Quantico, Virginia. Despite popular depictions, these FBI Special Agents don't get "vibes" or experience "psychic flashes" while walking around fresh crime scenes. It is an exciting world of investigation and research — a world of inductive and deductive reasoning; crime-solving experience; and knowledge of criminal behavior, facts, and statistical probabilities.

Special Agents are not eligible for positions at the NCAVC until they have three years of experience. Because the positions are so competitive, however, individuals selected usually possess eight to ten years of experience as a Special Agent. The NCAVC employs Special Agents with a variety of backgrounds. The most important qualifications include overall experience as an investigator specializing in violent crimes, particularly homicides, rapes, child abductions, and threats. Please see our list of NCAVC Frequently Asked Questions for more information about the NCAVC.


Zenkitty - Nov 06, 2009 10:16:26 am PST #4075 of 11831
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Thanks, everyone, that clears up my confusion. And it will make my Dexter/Criminal Minds crossover fic even better, with the little hint of realism there.


Toddson - Nov 06, 2009 11:01:07 am PST #4076 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In re Criminal Minds - it occurred to me that with Morgan now the leader (at least temporarily), perhaps the killer who targeted Hotch and his family (can't remember the name) will target Tamara, as Morgan's "loved one" and she'll be killed off in a bit. So we'll get to see that Morgan isn't emotionally unavailable, and he'll get to suffer for several episodes. (And, yes - wildly inappropriate relationship.)


Jesse - Nov 06, 2009 11:29:40 am PST #4077 of 11831
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I figured that Morgan talking to Tamara about the job (inappropriately!!) was what was helping him reconnect -- but then, I just felt closer to my own job after trying to sell it to people applying to replace me. Telling them the good things about it made it feel better in my head.


EpicTangent - Nov 06, 2009 11:55:42 am PST #4078 of 11831
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

But didn't Foyet target Hotch because he wouldn't take the "deal" he offered (to stop looking for the killer)? Then either Derek (or his people) wouldn't become a target, or wouldn't become a target until he was offered, and refused, the same deal, right? (Which I wouldn't mind. I like Salli, but she seems to have the anti-BBoC effect - I never believe her chemistry with anyone. So killing her character would bring the good angst).


Toddson - Nov 06, 2009 12:08:11 pm PST #4079 of 11831
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Yes ... I left out the offering the deal step.