Spike? It's you. It's really you! My therapist thought I was holding on to false hope, but…I knew you'd come back. You're like…you're like Gandalf the White, resurrected from the pit of the Balrog, more beautiful than ever. Oh…he's alive Frodo. He's alive.

Andrew ,'Damage'


Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Kathy A - Oct 09, 2009 7:06:57 am PDT #3751 of 11840
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

What I liked about last night's CSI was their casting of Tim Blake Nelson, who's one of my favorite nerdy-type character actors. But, the overall structure of the show was definitely not very successful.


le nubian - Oct 09, 2009 7:13:15 am PDT #3752 of 11840
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Speaking of changes of structure I don't think the CSI one worked nearly as well. Too much (boring) time with the perpetrator/flashback to the victim, not enough crimesolving.

Yes. IMO, if they had just done it "straight" - it probably would have worked better.

Problem is, I wasn't rooting for the victim. I wanted him dead myself and so therefore there wasn't a lot of tension.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2009 8:05:46 am PDT #3753 of 11840
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

All that extra time with the killer ate what would have been a B plot with another crime. I could see it if we had a particularly clever or flamboyant criminal on our hands, but I think it was meant to be poignant, which it wasn't. I think they were both annoying.


Vortex - Oct 09, 2009 8:30:37 am PDT #3754 of 11840
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I'm not a big fan of Tunney's range, but I think she played the breakdown well.

I thought that it was scene chewing. I mean, I get that it was supposed to be over the top, but I was not impressed.

And I totally got that it was the psychiatrist from early on. Not how or why,

I often figure out who the bad guy is because of the fact that they are using an established actor in a "throwaway" role. Christian Clemson is too good for 5 minutes a week as the psychiatrist. At first, I thought that it was going to be an ongoing thing (like Stephen Fry in "Bones"), but the chemistry/vibe wasn't there.

I was unsatisfied that we never got a motive for why he risked everything for this caper. Yes, he got a million dollars, but is that reason to commit murder, betray your client, and risk your career?


Barb - Oct 09, 2009 9:13:34 am PDT #3755 of 11840
“Not dead yet!”

I was unsatisfied that we never got a motive for why he risked everything for this caper. Yes, he got a million dollars, but is that reason to commit murder, betray your client, and risk your career?

It did seem like the sort of thing that should have had a realllly personal motivation behind it, didn't it?


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2009 9:34:02 am PDT #3756 of 11840
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

is that reason to commit murder, betray your client, and risk your career?

I don't think he saw it as betraying his client--didn't he take her on as a client so he could frame her? A million dollars used to be a lot of money. I don't think it's enough to get Joe Normal who probably makes decent money (give him a gambling debt, or something) to turn to a complex life of crime.


Vortex - Oct 09, 2009 9:38:06 am PDT #3757 of 11840
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I don't think he saw it as betraying his client--didn't he take her on as a client so he could frame her?

No, she was assigned to him by the department to mandated counseling after the shooting last season.


§ ita § - Oct 09, 2009 9:44:38 am PDT #3758 of 11840
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That's awfully convenient.


Vortex - Oct 09, 2009 9:46:16 am PDT #3759 of 11840
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Yes, I didn't like that either. We have to extrapolate that the briber guy found out that she was in counseling, found out the name of the counselor, approached the counselor about a patient, counselor was willing to break confidentiality to confirm that she was a patient, and to come up with this hare brained scheme? Not bloody likely.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2009 4:07:06 pm PDT #3760 of 11840
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Procedural synchronicity heavily at work--NCIS and Castle use Strangers on a Train, The Mentalist and Psych have murderous psychiatrists.

I liked this week's Psych, although I understand I missed much of the injoking. Still, Gus was smart, and a good Dwayne Wayne moment never goes amiss.