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Procedurals 1: Anything You Say Can and Will Be Used Against You.

This thread is for procedural TV, shows where the primary idea is to figure out the case. [NAFDA]


Connie Neil - May 29, 2009 6:31:58 am PDT #3302 of 11831
brillig

I feel bad for Louise Lombard

Sorry for the actress losing a job, but I'm not surprised. I don't know if it was acting, directing, or writing, but the female lead made me antsy, she struck me as too desperate to be perceived as competent, with a bad case of "I must always remind them that I can do this even if I am a woman." I know that angle is considered an easy source of drama for writers, but I long for a female commander who doesn't feel compelled to apologzie/explain/account for her vagina and breasts.

I didn't like Jenny at first, it seemed a cheap plot twist to bring in Gibbs' old lover, but the conflict quickly when from "can A woman do this job" to "can THIS woman do this job".

I fondly remember Gina Torres being a police captain in a hostage negotiation unit--Standoff, was it?--and I never got the idea that her competence vis a vis her gender was ever a topic.


Vortex - May 29, 2009 6:37:03 am PDT #3303 of 11831
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I long for a female commander who doesn't feel compelled to apologzie/explain/account for her vagina and breasts.

amen.

I fondly remember Gina Torres being a police captain in a hostage negotiation unit--Standoff, was it?--and I never got the idea that her competence vis a vis her gender was ever a topic.

yeah, one of the few things that show ever got right.


aurelia - May 29, 2009 8:03:01 am PDT #3304 of 11831
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I might have been interested in watching for Reiko Aylesworth.

Recent Lostie Reiko Aylesworth can forget about being part of The Forgotten, as the Jerry Bruckheimer-produced ABC drama is recasting not just her amateur detective but also the lead character played by British actor Rupert Penry-Jones.


sumi - May 29, 2009 8:10:10 am PDT #3305 of 11831
Art Crawl!!!

No Rupert Penry-Jones?

There goes my incentive for watching that show.


§ ita § - May 29, 2009 12:12:33 pm PDT #3306 of 11831
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I hated Jenny and thought she was consistently incompetent. And that's how she went out.


Connie Neil - May 29, 2009 12:46:16 pm PDT #3307 of 11831
brillig

Yeah, she did rather let her obsession get in the way of rationality.


sj - May 29, 2009 2:24:55 pm PDT #3308 of 11831
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I'm glad they are replacing LL. With the character's history with Gibbs, she should have been so much more interesting than she was. I do think that history had more to do with why the character was apologizing for herself than the fact that she was a woman in power.


Morgana - May 29, 2009 2:45:30 pm PDT #3309 of 11831
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I hated Jenny and thought she was consistently incompetent. And that's how she went out.

I agree. Also, I thought that Ziva's presence was explained as a favor to Jenny - didn't they say that Ziva and Jenny were friendly in the past, and that at one point Ziva had saved her life? Because other than that, I don't understand why a foreign operative would be acting as an employee of an American military investigative unit for such a long period. (I mean, she wasn't there just for one case, or a case specific to the Mossad. She was there long-term.) It never made sense to me. On the other hand, I freely admit that my law education comes from the school of L&O, so I could be completely wrong.


Morgana - May 29, 2009 2:45:31 pm PDT #3310 of 11831
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

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The board seems to have taken a dislike to me. When I was trying to formulate the message it kicked me out twice, and after I wrote it in Notepad and then tried to post, it posted it twice. Tonight's not a full moon, is it?


Connie Neil - May 29, 2009 2:54:11 pm PDT #3311 of 11831
brillig

I always assumed Jenny had forced Ziva's presence, and I think we were supposed to assume that they were more than friendly. By the time Jenny died, Gibbs had fully integrated Ziva into the team and wasn't likely to make it easy to pull her out. Keeping her also made Mossad happy. She was One of Ours by then, so Gibbs fought to get her back after the team was broken up. When she asked him to choose between her and Tony, though, she showed she didn't trust Gibbs the way he trusted her, and he wasn't going to choose one agent over another. It will be interesting to see how they get her.